Cash shop confirmed

[Tupsi]

Cash shop in a subscription game is double dipping and greedy.

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content, since you know, people say items are "content" as well. I mean, when people ask if I want to do x content, of course they're saying: "Do you want to do Potions? Or Ethers? Want to go kill Allagan Tin Coin?"

The object rendered by the engine is also content, by definition, but let's be honest, people use the term "content" for things you're doing, e.g Primal battles or Coil.

We would've gotten these new minions in game...
If only they would lower the sub now

We would have? How do you know? Where did SE state these would have been in-game minions? Last I checked we still did get minions in game. If you want a lower sub you shoulda played 1.x and gotten legacy status

[Jandor]

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content

People bought in at the start knowing this would be the case. They didn't buy in expecting a cash shop.

[Damane]

By this logic charging for an expansion pack while we pay a sub is double dipping and greedy - you're paying for additional content, since you know, people say items are "content" as well. I mean, when people ask if I want to do x content, of course they're saying: "Do you want to do Potions? Or Ethers? Want to go kill Allagan Tin Coin?"

Actually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToS

[Tupsi]

Actually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToS

If you actually read the topic you'd know I already know this, but no one really would want to go through 150+ pages of doomcalling.

[Starlord]

Actually we are paying the monthly fee for "Access" to the game, not for the content, they might es well not do any content and could charge you monthly. You might wanna read the ToS

So, how about those F2P games that give you access to the game? And some F2P you can get by without buying anything. I honestly think what we pay is more than just the servers. We pay them for their paychecks/servers/funds for the game. Funds for the game is key here, as if we didn't pay them there wouldn't be content ( or a FFXIV for that matter).

So I think what we pay them for is more than just " Accessing the servers", or else we should pay F2P games to access their servers as well (but we don't).

[ErBear]

So, how about those F2P games that give you access to the game? And some F2P you can get by without buying anything. I honestly think what we pay is more than just the servers. We pay them for their paychecks/servers/funds for the game. Funds for the game is key here, as if we didn't pay them there wouldn't be content ( or a FFXIV for that matter).

So I think what we pay them for is more than just " Accessing the servers", or else we should pay F2P games to access their servers as well (but we don't).

^ I'm shocked starlord, really am. Probably the most logical thing in this thread +1.

There is not justification for a cash shop item when they are getting at least a million subs a month. So lets say that they have a million subs at $10 a month. That's at least 10 million dollars a month, what more do they need from this game unless they are preparing it to go f2p.

[Starlord]

^ I'm shocked starlord, really am. Probably the most logical thing in this thread +1.

There is not justification for a cash shop item when they are getting at least a million subs a month. So lets say that they have a million subs at $10 a month. That's at least 10 million dollars a month, what more do they need from this game unless they are preparing it to go f2p.

LOL, I am only stating what I feel is just. We may not agree on alot of things, but this is one thing that will bug me ( I won't quit over it nor will I use the cash shop) but it will still bug me :/. I am a huge SE fan and even I can see double dipping when I see it. As loyal of a fan as I am, this is one thing I won't sit here and say " This can be a good thing". Cash Shop in a P2P environment is just wrong and completely greedy/double dipping.

[polyphonica]

There is not justification for a cash shop item when they are getting at least a million subs a month. So lets say that they have a million subs at $10 a month. That's at least 10 million dollars a month, what more do they need from this game unless they are preparing it to go f2p.

Well, first of all we don't actually know how many concurrent subscriptions they have right now, but that aside, we also can't see their costs. To have a game with major quarterly updates released simultaneously in 5 languages is not cheap, not to mention the on-going service costs, taxes, and administration expenses. As a start, let's say they're paying 500 people at a cost of $80k USD/year average (cost to the business, not salary); that's over 3 million a month in employee costs alone (and they probably need even more people than that to develop and release at this pace).

Basically, it seems like a lot of money (it's way beyond the scope most of us will ever deal with personally), but a project of this scale is not cheap by any means.

[Hurlstone]

Been surprise how little I have seen of the cash shop items in the world. Only one minion and mount during my Lancer FATE grindy. Browsing the shop in question, there is nothing that has yet caught my eye. Will be interesting to see just what vanity items they add in the future. I would like to see some glamor-based gear, perhaps not based on FF characters though...