First New Dungeon Experience - Seriously?

[Velox]

You couldn't get i110 (or weathered i100) from hunts. Only i90.

Hunts dropped tomestones (one of the biggest mistakes SE could have made) which could buy i100 weathered sets. It also drops Allied Seals and Blood-splattered Mark Logs, which can be used to get Sands and Oils of Time. Syrcus Tower also dropped sands and oils later on, making it INCREDIBLY easy to get i110.

[Kisshu]

i did them all this morning. Satasha hard was hard tbh, we couldn't figure out the 2nd boss so i had to pop benediction, presence of mind, divine seal and one quickcast just to keep my bard alive when he was targeted. She popped second wind too. That was super fun

Of all the new dungeon bosses that one was the most difficult for me, took a few tries before we figured out the trick. Fenrir also took some tries, but mostly because the healer couldn't hide so I had to make a "Boss mechanic" macro.
Overall Sastasha>Snowcloak>Quarn imo

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

Progression in this game has always been borked tbh. It is funny to watch and hardly surprising at this point.

[Luvbunny]

Care to give breakdown on dungeons mechanic on all the new ones? I met so many "new returning" doing the "older" dungeons and it was pure hell trying to go through them.... Mainly DPS who have no clue that you MUST focus on the adds, mechanic that has been hammered to your face from level 10-50 over and over and over and over again...

[Ladon]

So the progression treadmill continues. Are people going to act surprised that they are applying the exact same progression formula they have been using for every other point release?

Hopefully 3.0 gets us off this treadmill.

[Kisshu]

Care to give breakdown on dungeons mechanic on all the new ones? I met so many "new returning" doing the "older" dungeons and it was pure hell trying to go through them.... Mainly DPS who have no clue that you MUST focus on the adds, mechanic that has been hammered to your face from level 10-50 over and over and over and over again...

SPOILERS FOR BOSS MECHANICS

Can you spoiler tag text here?


Sastasha:
1st Boss: Scorpion > Stun tail swipe, no idea how to remove prey status
2nd Boss: Captain Gangplank > When he starts shooting do 2-3% of his HP as damage to stop it, ig nore adds if he starts shooting
3rd Boss: Arms > Just kill arms as they pop and then damage main body

Quarn:
1st Boss: Statue > Just destroy the different bodyparts and avoid the pits
2nd Boss: Can't really remember
3rd Boss: Big Statue > Avoid mummy rush and you should be ok

Snowcloak:
1st Boss: Ice mob > Kill adds asap
2nd Boss: Let him use Frozen Mist on spriggans, then again 2 times to make the snowball bigger, hit snowball to stun big attack
3rd Boss: Wolf > Avoid lines, hide behind pillar when he does Lunar Cry or get frozen(and eaten)

[Nestama]

My point exactly... if you want a dungeon tuned for i110 go to FCoB...

What's wrong with making a dungeon require a minimal ilvl of 95, dropping i105 gear and being as difficult as Pharos Sirius was back in 2.1?

This is what most of us are asking for! A challenging dungeon where grabbing every single mob of the room is a terrible idea (in PS, if you tried pulling the entire first room in 2.1, you were guaranteed a wipe due to all the AoE's the trash mobs could use. Banish III was also something you couldn't ignore). We're not asking for Coil difficulty.

[Zaft]

What's wrong with making a dungeon require a minimal ilvl of 95, dropping i105 gear and being as difficult as Pharos Sirius was back in 2.1?

This is what most of us are asking for! A challenging dungeon where grabbing every single mob of the room is a terrible idea (in PS, if you tried pulling the entire first room in 2.1, you were guaranteed a wipe due to all the AoE's the trash mobs could use. Banish III was also something you couldn't ignore). We're not asking for Coil difficulty.

Do you not remember the outcry at Pharos Sirius? Thread after thread of people begging for it to be nerfed?

If SE makes something hard, people will complain. If SE makes something easy, people will complain. There is no correct choice here.

[Nestama]

I think people complained because the reward was not, well, rewarding. If Pharos Sirius (and the other two dungeons) dropped i75 gear, PS would probably have been spared from the nerf. SE definitely would have needed to raise the minimal ilvl from 49(?) to 55, though.

• This game needs more "middle" content. At the moment 'Easy' mode has 14 dungeons, 2 raids, 7 Hard Mode Primals and 3 watered down raids.

• Medium (what we need more of) has EX Primals (Titan excluded) Second Coil and T5.

• Hard only has Savage Coil (which will be given the Pharos Sirius 2.1 treatment because the reward is just titles) and Final Coil.

Game is unbalanced and it saddens me that not enough people are telling SE this is not okay. Game is a year old now, so SE should let the new players walk on their own two feet (when they get to the new content) now.

[RiceisNice]

Do you not remember the outcry at Pharos Sirius? Thread after thread of people begging for it to be nerfed?

If SE makes something hard, people will complain. If SE makes something easy, people will complain. There is no correct choice here.

They really seem to have trouble hitting the middle ground with these updates.