Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[ReplicaX]

This Entire Thread, has EVERYTHING to do with people wanting Raid Nerfs to come because "Coil is too hard for me, so lets Nerf it plz"

You clearly didn't bother reading the thread, the players posting against nerfs or the players countering some of your opinions filled with assumptions.

Your "I'm done with this thread" yet still post attitude.

It's nothing personal. You are taking this thread too seriously. At this point SE has stated they will evaluate 2nd coil progression after 2.4 release. To include their "Echo universal fix" x amount of weeks in after evaluation.

[polyhedral]

This thread stinks of dead horse.
I think I'll go play FFT:WotL now

Some people can have their savage mode. I just do not really care for it, so I don't do it.

You want coil, story and all, to yourselves, so have it. Take it from us too, if you're going to moan so freaking hard over this. Call me lazy, I do not really care, like I said above. I have priorities in life that will always trump any game.
Take my wallet while you're at it too, cause I'm too broke too fly to Vegas. Hell, I've never flown anywhere in my entire life.
Hell, you want me to sub to your twitch.tv too? It's only $4.99, and I get to watch you, as well as others, clear the same content every single night instead of playing next to you.

Take it all man, but it's funny when I see you participating in casual events like the all saint's eve.
Freaking casuals. 100 myth bonus, abandon ship. We're too weak to carry 1 person.

[odintius]

Take my wallet while you're at it too, cause I'm too broke too fly to Vegas. Hell, I've never flown anywhere in my entire life.
Hell, you want me to sub to your twitch.tv too? It's only $4.99, and I get to watch you, as well as others, clear the same content every single night instead of playing next to you. Take it all man, but it's funny when I see you participating in casual events like the all saint's eve.
Freaking casuals. 100 myth bonus, abandon ship. We're too weak to carry 1 person.

You can play next to them right now for only 80m gil they will take you to clear it then, lol but of course not all them are like that just the ones that does the sells.

[Sparktacus]

Old content is old content...honestly, I don't see why nerfing it is such a big deal. If anything beating an echoed t5, then an echoed t9 (yes echo helps with dps checks but it doesn't get players through t5 or 9 divebombs, or elementals, shriek, or ballistic missle), will prepare new players for t10 much, much better than I was when I started 1st coil in 2.0....as dungeons were extremely easy, with no mechanics, followed by coil, which was a drastic ramp up in difficulty.

This is an excellent point that I think gets neglected. During coil one I had this problem among some others as well, and was not able to get T5 down until Coil2 was released, but still before echo was introduced. The difficulty in the game is non existent up to a point where it can (subjectively) become fairly complex. However since the the training wheels are never taken off until coil (or a no longer necessary TitanX) many a new player hit a skill wall. Echo of old coil is necessary to get more players or players who are just starting a chance to get to new coil quickly. Perhaps the story coil can give some of these players good footing into the actual coil.

[Coatl]

Second coil clears cost 80m in your server? Holy carp.

[VahnValbosce]

This has NOTHING to do with how "new players" can't get a clear for Turn 5 coil, because they are being excluded from groups due to so-called "elitist jerks" which MOST of you think that the Majority of this games population consists of.

Really?

Yea, Really.

You're trying to say that the solution to these so called "Elitist Jerks" is to Nerf the entire Raid so that nobody will fight with eachother anymore? Instead of people trying to improve themselves and god-forbid work on something to achieve their goal, let's all just create content for the lowest common denominator???

You really think people are going to want to step into a raid, take 10 minutes out of the entire week to figure out an entire raid that is a snoozefest??? Do you really think people are going to pay a $10-$14 subscription for that kind of lazily made content that people are disinterested in, after only a few days??? Please Answer these questions, if you can at all.

SE will make the content more accessible because it better for the newer players and the experienced a like when people put in the effort and get a clear after one dozen wipes instead of 10 dozen wipes. That is really how far SE is moving the bar, really.

Oh you think so? I will be here to fight you on that topic every step of the way. And if by chance FFXIV does get nerfed into a care-bear kindergarten level, then mark my words: that will dig the grave AND put the final nail in the coffin all at the same time, for this entire game. And I'll be right back here, with a big fat "I Told You So" so goodluck to you.

[Lux_Rayna]

Obviously SE disagrees with your assessment. They are happy with players that subscribe but doesn't occupy their servers 100% of the time, and SE will facilitate their access to newer content and not spoon feeding them.

Eh coming into this thread to say QFT. I think a lot of complaints about "nerfing" fail to take this into account. There are people like me who have no desire to spend more than 5-10 hours a week on a game. I pay as much money as someone who spends all day on the game. My progress should not be gated behind a difficulty curve that requires a certain frequency of play. Im okay with that being the case at first, but over time the curve should flatten as old content becomes dated. Only new content should have steep curves, as that keeps it fresh until the next patch.

[Mugiawara]

I don't even know why any one is surprised. They already stated that they'll going to nerf older content.
O_o They've already DONE that anyways.

My advice is to: When new content comes out, hurry and enjoy it's difficulty while it lasts.
It's going to get the eventual nerf bat.

[VahnValbosce]

There are people like me who have no desire to spend more than 5-10 hours a week on a game.

You have 4 hours per week then from what you say here.

My static was casual: I REPEAT, CASUAL.

We spent 4 hours per week on the 2nd coil of bahamut during 2.3, we cleared a turn every 2 weeks. OK??? Ok, now lets move on to the next point, still with me???

The real question is, if your time is so valuable to you IRL and you are so constrained from playing, then why are you playing an MMO in the first place? MMO's themselves take a large amount of time, so I'm not sure why people who barely play are trying to conduct how the game is developed??? Please Do Not assume that the majority of the playerbase are supremely casual, and therefore its the "majority" and they dictate the game because they put in the most money with their subscriptions. I honestly don't see that many people out there who are wailing about how they can't clear coil. Personally, I see 1 player that can't pull their weight, to 7 other competent players. 1 to 7 is the minority.

Because, honestly, this is how MMO's are supposed to be designed, and if you don't have the time to work on something, then you're going to just have to "deal with it" and do Crystal Tower and the other things to do in game, while waiting for newer raids to come out so the older ones get nerfed. They are going to release more casual content for you. And If that's the way you really want it, then great, they are doing that already. But a 15% ECHO Buff and a HUGE Item Level increase is enough of a NERF so can we just leave it at that, Please...

[Nahaara]

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You are becoming hysterical.