Booing when Coil2 Nerf was announced

[odintius]

They already said they're planning on implementing Coil Story mode (Or something of that nature) for people who are interested in just the plot but not the fights.

True and people even complain about that even nothing never good enough for some players those type of players need to have it were they can artifically content gate other players they deem unworthy because of precious gear they earned even though it will be trash later on down the game development cycle but for those horrible lesser players will be picking up the scraps left after you.

[Fawkes]

2 - Do you wanna the best gear, then FIGHT for it.

It's not going to be the best gear when the fights are made easier. Final Coil gear is going to be better.

You can get mad about being called a special snowflake all you want, but that's all it is. You want your special snowflake high allagan gear to be special snowflake-only forever. Well sorry, but this game has gear obsolescence. In a few months that gear is going to be worthless glamor-only garbage. Get used to it.

[Ilitsa]

You can do this, albeit only on an individual level. Click off the buff like any other buff.

Oooh, really?! I'll have to do this then, thanks!

[Evtrai]

I think the solution should be that people that cleared it before nerf should get a title, that way their petty ego isn't hurt.

[Hyrist]

I almost turned off the stream at the booing of nerfing coil, so soon after people were cheering for the Atma adjustments.

Hypocrisy at its finest. The design policy of this game has not changed since it was first announced: Dated content gets adjusted and becomes easier over time. Seeming this content literally gates further content behind it, that's a necessity if players who are starting later on are going to have any hope of catching up. Statics often don't break static to help newer players, which means those who have not established close connections often get left behind, and that's where subscriptions truly bleed out.


"It's coil, it's supposed to be hard." is a narrow-sighted, selfish perspective that bears no concept of longevity of the game in it. Of course coil is supposed to be hard. But hard, as illustrated by players on these boards, is highly subjective. What may be mildy hard, or even simple to some people in the playerbase is downright impossible to others, especially given that no everyone can have a single dedicated static to work with. As content gets outdated, players of differing skill levels should have the option to experience it without the same levels of frustration and challenge as if it was current.

There are only two arguments in this that can be made that aren't absolutist in quality: The timing of adjustments for raids, and the preservation of Savage Coil. I'm all for having a super hard, unaltered version of Coil for players to challenge regardless of what patch it is, so long as there is a path that is adjusted so that new or less dedicated players can experience and clear the content and enjoy the story. Telling players they should not progress through old content purely because it's against your elitist ideals, not cool at all.

This argument itself is old-hat, and the outspoken players who prefer to ostracize their neighbors because they wish to remain special are never going to get their way in this.

If the argument instead is about wanting to have more time or simply preserve a instance of Coil the way it was originally designed so it may be experienced and conquered by those who still want to push through the challenge? That's a far better argument to have, and I would support it.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

I'd just like to point out that, IIRC, people booed when the question of whether or not they were planning nerfs aside from the Echo was asked, not when they announced Echo for it. I'm pretty sure that was expected and people were displeased with the idea of changing the actual mechanics, which is not something they announced. They only said Echo buff.

[Titor]

I do not know why the hardcore elite raiders need turns 6-9, 10-13, ramuh ex, and shiva ex to satiate their need for content. Are statics that are this committed really going to schedule time to run 6-9 anymore, outside of the first initial week or two to get gear for everyone to glamour? Probably not. Are these statics still running levi ex and mog ex on a regular basis for their inferior item levels? Not that I know of.

I am not sure why releasing 6-9 to the less dedicated raiders would hurt anyone, and am all for nerfing second coil.

[DoctorPepper]

Have to agree with the booing at fan fest, leave coil alone please! I enjoy the challenge and will enjoy pulling other people through it. Hard to get better if you don't challenge yourself, the main scenario is not tied to coil and the only content locked out by it is harder coil turns so I don't see the difficulty as being a problem. Higher ilvl will eventually nerf it anyways as well.

[VahnValbosce]

It kind of shows who the vocal minority are to me when the forums are littered with people whining about difficulty but when a fan gathering is held the true feelings are much more obvious.

This, This, This, This.

That's all there is to say, discussion over. The playerbase crying about difficulty is an extremely vocal minority that are asking the developers to nerf content because they can't clear it. Basically they are trying to wave their subscription in the dev teams face asking if they can buy a win to 2nd coil because they don't have the time or patience to play the game and clear it normally.

If you're so determined to bribe the devs with your subscription fee to change content, then why not instead farm gil in game and get a free company to sell a clear run to you? Honestly if you criticize people who buy runs of Primal Extremes or Turn 5, Etc, yet think you are Perfectly fine for asking the dev team to Nerf content in game because "you pay a monthly sub and your voice matters" then you are quite disconnected in your logic.

Also, 2nd coil clear runs will be selling for a lot cheaper with the echo buff coming in 2.4.

[Titor]

If you're so determined to bribe the devs with your subscription fee to change content, then why not instead farm gil in game and get a free company to sell a clear run to you?

Tried. Ramuh ex is still around 2.5 mil on my server. Assuming second coil (with lockouts) is about 40 mil for 4-9, it will probably drop to around 25 mil for all turns, or like 7 mil a turn. This is ridiculous, when most people can barely afford a house.

My main past time on FFXIV is buying and selling, so I do have a bit of gil, but I probably would not drop 25 mil for some gear that might or might not be relevant to my class, when it is old content and should be playable by the non-hardcore raiders now.

YOU GUYS GET FINAL COIL. Is an entire new raid of 4 turns with the best gear, new visuals and cutscenes not good enough for you? Why will you need i110 items at that point?