(Extremely Gimped Iconic Summon) that is EGIS

[Exstal]

My guess is that the model designers for the Egis had strict limits on polygon count to prevent console strain when you have a bunch of Summoners around at the same time, and within those limits they couldn't make an approximation of of the original primals that didn't look horribly crude. So, instead, they created abstract approximations of the Primals - entities that evoke the nature of the Primal without being direct copies. I don't think it's a bad comprimise, if SMN is going to be a pet job. (Whether it SHOULD be a pet job at all is another matter entirely...)

Well if we assume that FFXI had PS2, it's likely PS3 can handle more primal looking egi. However, I don't exactly know how limiting PS3 truly is since maybe increasing their graphics to a degree where you see Garuda in all her pointy glory would cause frame rate issues.

Everyone's favourite scapegoat is PS# limitations, y'know?

[LineageRazor]

Well if we assume that FFXI had PS2, it's likely PS3 can handle more primal looking egi. However, I don't exactly know how limiting PS3 truly is since maybe increasing their graphics to a degree where you see Garuda in all her pointy glory would cause frame rate issues.

Everyone's favourite scapegoat is PS# limitations, y'know?

Well, I wasn't precisely trying to evoke the tired old "PS3 LIMITATIONS!!1!" wank. I said "consoles" when I should have said "platforms"; I meant to include PCs in the evaluations. Not every PC gamer is running a bleeding edge Alienware gaming comp, or whatever. I'm guessing that the vast majority of PC gamers have PCs specced lower than PS4, and there are likely plenty that still run at PS3 levels.

Primals in FFXIV are GORGEOUS. They are fantastically rendered, and one of the reasons they can afford to be so detailed is that each shows up in an arena with few, if any, addtional creatures and a limited number of players. To make a copy that players can carry around with them anywhere would certainly need a drastic reduction in detail, and it's possible they'd just wind up looking, well, even more terrible than the Egis we have.

In FFXI, while you'll notice that the Avatars DO look just like the Prime Avatars, both they AND the Prime Avatars you fight to earn them are some of the chunkiest models in the game. It's not hard to position your camera in such a way that Ifrit's or Titan's squarish arms are clearly visiable. They are definitely low-detail models - and even then, were unsummonable in towns due to the greater concentration of NPCs and architecture in those areas.

[Lycinder]

The reason why I stated that SCH and SMN are too much alike is that pet wise, they basically have the same skill sets so gameplay are the same in pve. As for dungeon run, I can basically become a Healer role and solo heal a tank if not everyone in a lower lvl dungeon. The fairies are too much similar to the EGIS imho. Wouldn't it make sense to just merge the two job into one ultimate hybrid job and just call it a day?

Sch and SMN are very much different classes, Fairies are like Egis? what. Seriously?
Fairies for one cannot attack enemies and are given either heals and defence and heal buffs or Heal and attack buffs, Meanwhile egis are all about combat Dps, ranged dps and tanking.
The only thing fairies and Egis have in common is that they are summoned and are pets

Also the isn't just a 5 skill difference between the Jobs, looking at the summons as well - SCH has pretty much 12 differing skills across the board (Seeing as both fairies have embrace as one of their 4) and SMN has a whopping 17 differing skills, of course everyone really uses Garuda so its more like 9 skills.

But the major thing which makes them different is how the gear branches out endgame wise it creates a pretty big divide between SCH and SMN, this is all stats wise of course but still a point to make.

[MageBlack]

Still cant wait for the Global Free Company Summoning system where you actually do get to use a primal summon for a one-off attack.

[Bracken]

I think they should replace all the egi with ladybugs! Ladybugs are the far superior race in this game and they are under represented. >:v

that reminded me of the old Decline of video games flash vids lol



Decline of Video Gaming 2

[Shadex]

SMN is what it is because Yoshi can't stop copying crap from WoW. SMN is nothing more than a half *** copy of a Warlock. Let's see we get a tank pet, it's just not a blueberry. We get a range nuker, just not an imp. We have a melee DPS, just not a succubus and we didn't even get the crowd control... oh right, according to devs FF14 players are too stupid to deal with CC. We get one bolt nuke and a ton of DoTs... Did they even bother scratching the name Warlock off the box before they wrote Summoner over it in Sharpie Pen?

As for complaining about Egis, it is all about what players care about. Some players care for nothing but end game content and progression so they will continue to spam these forums with those threads too until they leave or something get's changed. Just because someone doesn't care about Egis doesn't make it any less an important complaint or a 'dead horse'.