(Extremely Gimped Iconic Summon) that is EGIS

[MrLeonheart]

T-there are people who are still angry about Egis?

[Duelle]

I found this on another forum, sums it up pretty well.

"FFXI's Avatar system was also crummy as hell when it came to representing the power you possessed.

What would you rather have, something that looks akin to the actual Summon but punches enemies for 2 damage, or something that has the looks to match it's usefulness?

I realize this is final FANTASY, but making the Summoner's summons full on Primal size seems a bit unrealistic. You harness a mere portion of the Primal's powers, and as such, it looks just how it should.

In FFXI your Avatars tickled the enemies when they weren't using their BP abilities. They were nearly full size, but the amount of actual control over their power wasn't nearly proportionate to the appearance they had."

This post needs to be preserved for posterity. People still won't learn and make SMN whine threads, but at least we'll have something to point towards.

Wasn't this dead and buried in the beta forums?

1. You're summoning the essence of the primal to help you fight, not a giant ass god of destruction to fight for you.
2. I don't know about you, but there's way too much shit on the floor to dodge in most fights to have a primal covering most of it up (plus their huge hitboxes soaking every hit aimed within 50 miles of them).
3. We don't know jack about the full primal summoning, for all we know the FC needs to pay 1,000,000 crystals then spam /pray to unlock an alliance LB4 bar, also last I checked the beastmen tribes didn't have arcanists yet they summon the primals.
4. SCH and SMN too alike? It's almost like you've not played either job for any length of time.

This too.

[melflomil]

I tried summoner, I like the class. I just really dislike how the Egis look. I understand they can't be freaking huge. I like carbuncle a lot just because they put effort into designing him to LOOK like carbuncle . Why couldn't SE just keep the model the same and just scale it to carbuncle size. After that I have no complains about the class. Waiting for SOL to get uncapped so I can get the book of diamonds and use them in dungeons.

[Sapphic]

Wasn't this dead and buried in the beta forums? (snip)

Not to mention, with lore, the main reasons Primals are a danger is because they suck up aether just by being there, and as everything is made of aether... Not a good idea.

[Sapphic]

T-there are people who are still angry about Egis?

There are people who complain about anything too XD (not meaning you just saying in general :P )

[Jynx]

I wouldn't mind the size if they didn't all look terrible design wise...

[Lithera]

I agee, someone said it awhile ago. When lore starts to get in the way of gameplay.. it needs to take backseat, this isn't a book.

This isn't a gameplay issue though. Does the Egis' appearance in any way inpact their abilities? Would the Egis be stronger if they had full sized models? It's aesthetics not gameplay. I'd prefer they not start ditching lore for aesthetics.

Summoning the actual Primal requires an immense amount of crystals or apparently some hefty blood sacrifice (see EX Primal quest) and then you would likely become the Primal's thrall instead of controlling it. The FC Summoning is supposedly going to get a Lore basis, probably the result of whatever is going to end off 2.X story. SMNs will still have a purpose because I doubt the Primals will be able to be sustained for long periods.

[Mimilu]

I think they should replace all the egi with ladybugs! Ladybugs are the far superior race in this game and they are under represented. >:v

[Shougun]

Other MMOs have proven that size is not limited to the size we have now*, so I'm a bit baffled how the counter point thinks they have anything but air. As per looks compared to other FFs ARR's is clearly different, SE has the right to be different but just to tag this thread like others- I think it looks bad and unbecoming of the name.

*we have lore for larger Egis, we also have lore that says primal summoning is taxing in all categories. There is a lore limit of size, but it isn't exclusive to what we have now.

[Sighearth]

whaat SCH and SMN too alike?? are we playing the same game?