[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[DarkmoonVael]

N

To speak to your point, I really don't think the developers would massively redesign the summoner class and split it off from the scholar. The arcanist/summoner/scholar setup is a good way to fit the traditional summoner into a game that is designed around the "holy triad" of tank/healer/damage. This is why I asked if you had played any other FF games. The summoner class in most games was a mixed bag. That was the reason to have a summoner in your party, since you could load up on ethers, switch everyone else to damage, and blast through battles. In FFXIV, the design of the game is such that all class must have a strongly defined role, and all classes must be equal in terms of what they offer to a group. Given that, splitting up the damage to the summoner and the healer to the scholar lets the designer maintain the versatility of the class while adhering to this game's design.

I can entirely see your point here, and thank you for engaging in the conversation. The summoner is such an iconic class/roll in the FF series, yet its always been so diverse in the iteration from game to game. I think the main issues surrounding this class is not design and development, but player expectations going into the game. If they keep summoner/scholar as the only jobs that split from the same base class, at least they are good jobs . I think the level cap increase will help define these jobs more, and hopefully give summoners the choic to use garuda, leviathan or ramuh egi in dungeons, instead of the current situation where garuda is uasually the go-to egi

[Exstal]

You know i actually came to this threat to talk about the potential of the summoner (and by extention, the scholar class).

This thread, since about page 1, has been about should Summoner be reworked. So in some sense, you're off-topic.

As such, people say, "yes" or "no" then give their reasons. Then people refute such reasons based on a myriad of issues. This is what this thread is about.

[DarkmoonVael]

This thread, since about page 1, has been about should Summoner be reworked. So in some sense, you're off-topic.

As such, people say, "yes" or "no" then give their reasons. Then people refute such reasons based on a myriad of issues. This is what this thread is about.

If you can give a "myriad of reasons" without reference to current potential of summoner, possible potential of summoner with changes, and how changes would effect the potential of a summoner, them please be my guest. You quite frankly can not do this. In in a sense, what you have just said is utterly irrelevant.

Thank you for your highly patronising explaination of what this threat is about. Strangely enough, if you look at my last posts in this thread, what i was doing was engaging with people. If you can not handle people discussing what they would like to see, then perhaps this is not the place for you.

However, it is nice to see people who can not engage with others in conversation, instead opting for the "this is my opinion therefor others are irrelevant" (bit like your post that i am responding to).

[Sen_Terrechant]

If you can give a "myriad of reasons" without reference to current potential of summoner, possible potential of summoer with changes, and how changes would effect the potential of a summoner, them please be my guest. You quite frankly can not do this. In in a sense, what you have just said is utterly irrelevant.

Editing

So your just going to ignore the balancing issues, current summoner identity that a majority of people are happy with and PS3 limitations? Thats just naming a few of the reasons why the BS thats been mentioned here over and over wouldnt work.

Its alright though, keep ignoring every counterpoint and calling it irrelevant.

[DarkmoonVael]

So your just going to ignore the balancing issues, current summoner identity that a majority of people are happy with and PS3 limitations? Thats just naming a few of the reasons why the BS thats been mentioned here over and over wouldnt work.

Its alright though, keep ignoring every counterpoint and calling it irrelevant.

Go back to page 56, read my first post on this topic. Everything that you have just argued against in the above quote is NOT from me. Since you havent read my post obviously, let me explain something to you. My argument is that i would like to see summoner reworked, only if this class/job system overhaul is to happen (also not clamiming that this is GOING to happen), due to the summoner and scholar IN MY OPINION, are suffering a little bit of an identity crisis, since they are quite similar. Please note, i have not once said that i want summoner to do X Y and Z, this being the case, i dont see how you have jumped to the conclusion that reworking the identity is going to have severe balancing issues or effect PS3 limitations! If people are happy with the summoner identity, then by all means engage with the debate like an educated adult, and stop slinging the mud like you are doing and others are doing.

EDIT: you will also see that i have engaged with those who have engaged with me. Exstal dismissing my entire opinion as being off topic, therefore irrelevant, is not a counterpoint as you like to call it. Its dismissing the opinion without thought.

[Meier]

I hope to god nothing. I hope SE isnt stupid enough to balance around the vocal (and bad) minority.

I wouldn't worry too much. They mostly listen to themselves anyway, but claim that this forum is used for feedback. *shrug*

[Iamapathy]

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I agree with you that it is not the official way to judge, but with the lack of any official poll from the game developers is not the players' fault. The developers themselves made these forums for us to discuss class related issues. If they dont bother to read it then it is totally pointless to argue here. If the silent majority (which is a common case when it comes to voting) doesnt come here to express their opinion then it is their problem as it is known to everyone what loadstone is. For the meantime, what rises here is what should be studied carefully by the developers.

[Delily]

I agree with you that it is not the official way to judge, but with the lack of any official poll from the game developers is not the players' fault. The developers themselves made these forums for us to discuss class related issues. If they dont bother to read it then it is totally pointless to argue here. If the silent majority (which is a common case when it comes to voting) doesnt come here to express their opinion then it is their problem as it is known to everyone what loadstone is. For the meantime, what rises here is what should be studied carefully by the developers.

Is this your first MMO? Have you ever heard of Dark Age Of Camelot?

[Sen_Terrechant]

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How about you go back to page 1 and see the same terrible points being brought up again and again, and the same counter points being used. At this point its not a discussion, even if you want it to be. Its beating a dead horse.

Please stop beating said dead horse, its dead.

[Iamapathy]

OP: 40-20, so 60. A small number to the amount of ....

- You cannot claim that the negative feedback regarding the lost identity of the current SMN is only my "feeling" which I am trying to impose. It is a 60 thread page by now. And you have 0 proof that the current SMN is satisfactory to the majority even, if you have done your own surveys to an adequate player sample then feel free to share it with us.

- Refering to your sentence " if your retort is Devs will make it work, you've basically admitted you have no concept of balance" I am sorry to tell you but your logic is flawed. I am a player (customer if i may) I have demands that if it coorelated with other customers demands, it is the provider's duty to find a solution not mine, as in result it fall into dissatisfaction.