Fenrir in a duneon? Really SE, reallllllllly?

[Alberel]

They are complaining simply to complain. Again so much pointless rage. Needs more deal with it.

By that reasoning any time you complain about anything you are doing it 'just to complain'.

The fact is Fenrir and Diabolos are both very popular summons AND both were summons in FFXI (which all of XIV's primals are directly taken from, every single one). People have a right to voice their disappointment at SE's choice to effectively demote their favourite characters to ignorable and forgettable bosses that you'll likely kill the first time you meet them without a shred of challenge.

Oh and please stop manually putting your 'sig' in each message. You need to put it in the actual signature field on your profile.

[faris]

The fact is Fenrir and Diabolos are both very popular summons AND both were summons in FFXI (which all of XIV's primals are directly taken from, every single one). People have a right to voice their disappointment at SE's choice to effectively demote their favourite characters to ignorable and forgettable bosses that you'll likely kill the first time you meet them without a shred of challenge.

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In XI, Diabolos and Fenrir both had some really compelling stories (The Full Moon Fountain/Windurst storyline and Dynamis/CoP respectively) and the fact such awesome writing won't be seen again with these characters (who really were characters, not just bosses) is disappointing.

I am sort of pinged by the fact both Diabolos and Fenrir are terrestrial to Vana'diel though. It'd be an understandable decision if XIV's dev team had some sort of terrestrial/celestial law with primals (since XI's celestial avatars are certainly terrestrial to Eorzea) and stated that as Celestial (to Eorzea), and terrestrial to Vanadiel, Diabolos, Fenrir, Carbuncle and Bahamut aren't actually Primals.

[Exstal]

The fact is Fenrir and Diabolos are both very popular summons AND both were summons in FFXI (which all of XIV's primals are directly taken from, every single one).

Are they only popular due to FFXI? This is the first time I've heard that these summons were popular.

[ExKage]

Are they only popular due to FFXI? This is the first time I've heard that these summons were popular.

Honestly the only reason I know of Fenrir is because I have a nostalgia-goggled love for FFVI and it was well... a wolf. Diabolos I only really know of because of said love of VI and MUST HAVING GBA VERSION.

Honestly, for me, not a big deal. I'm still waiting on Phoenix or Ragnarok.

[Omnicrom]

Are they only popular due to FFXI? This is the first time I've heard that these summons were popular.

Well Diabolos had some following from the other games I think. He was a legitimately great GF in FF8, which got translated into being the final bonus reward in FF6 Advance. However I think most of Fenrir's popularity does come from FF11, Fenrir wasn't particularly exciting in FF6 and in FF9 was sort of relegated to being "Eiko's summon that wasn't one you'd remember like Carbuncle, Phoenix, or Madeen."

[Felis]

The fact is Fenrir and Diabolos are both very popular summons AND both were summons in FFXI (which all of XIV's primals are directly taken from, every single one).

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[Alberel]

XI



XIV

What's your point? I was referring to the actual summons themselves, not their appearances. XIV uses the exact same set of six elemantal avatars from XI for it's elemental primals. Given how much of XIV's content is lifted directly from XI this is no real surprise, which is precisely why a lot of people are disappointed Diabolos and Fenrir didn't get the same treatment...

[MageBlack]

What's your point? I was referring to the actual summons themselves, not their appearances. XIV uses the exact same set of six elemantal avatars from XI for it's elemental primals. Given how much of XIV's content is lifted directly from XI this is no real surprise, which is precisely why a lot of people are disappointed Diabolos and Fenrir didn't get the same treatment...

Pro tip: There were Final Fantasies that came out before FFXI did.

FFVIII: Shiva


FFVII: Shiva


FFVII: Odin


FFIV: Odin


The actual point is, these are gods and goddesses from folk lore around the world and have been built on those principals since their first introduction into the Final Fantasy franchise. They have been present in different capacities throughout the franchise's history. Yes you can point to a specific FF and say "That's how they did it in this game, why are you different now, you disappoint me SE." but you are missing the whole concept of the franchise. Each game was its own separate entity, different battle system, different level up system, different world, different players. While they keep some elements, such as Cid, Summons, Crystals, they are each essentially their own game. It hasnt been until the past 10 years or so where they started to even do a direct sequel for any particular numbers game in the series.

So please, stop the silly arguing over a "summon" that was only in maybe 3 of the numbered FF's when they have a whole slew of others to choose from. Besides, Fenrir was a pretty useless summon in all of the ones I recall... He has more clout as a dungeon boss and will probably get more exposure because of it. How often do you see ifrit or titan summoned? rarely.

Just my 2gil.

[Alberel]

Pro tip: There were Final Fantasies that came out before FFXI did.

[snip]

So please, stop the silly arguing over a "summon" that was only in maybe 3 of the numbered FF's when they have a whole slew of others to choose from. Besides, Fenrir was a pretty useless summon in all of the ones I recall... He has more clout as a dungeon boss and will probably get more exposure because of it. How often do you see ifrit or titan summoned? rarely.

Just my 2gil.

Again you've completely missed the point. I know the summons have been in previous games in the series. My point was XIV took the exact entire set of elemental summons from XI. Come on, you can't have overlooked the fact that tons of things from XI were copied directly into XIV. Most of the common enemy models are the same, the races are the same with new names, the primals = the avatars. When SE chose to copy directly like that they set an expectation that other things might receive the same treatment. That is why people are disappointed. Fenrir and Diabolos were very important in XI but here they're just one-off bosses that you'll defeat and then forget about as they're inconsequential to the story. It's disappointing.

If the devs added your favourite job in an expansion but gutted it and made it nothing like you expected you would be disappointed. You would have a right to voice that disappointment. So why can't people voice disappointment that one of their favourite characters has been relegated to the trash heap?

As for how often any summon is actually used... that's nothing to do with the summon itself and more to do with bad balancing by the devs. You rarely see ifrit or titan summoned because the devs refuse to make them useful.

[Edli]

Come on, you can't have overlooked the fact that tons of things from XI were copied directly into XIV.

And tons of other things weren't. Fenrir not being a primal is one of those. What exactly are you asking for here? For FFXIV to be the carbon copy of XI?