Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Yoninxi]

wat

Please don't forget my second question you've dodged about three times now.

[NyarukoW]

Please don't forget my second question you've dodged about three times now.

You obviously don't read everything, or you don't like my answer. Oh well..

Why do I have a hard time believing you are this innocent player that has never tried to sneak into a farm party to get a ninja win?

I've never tried to sneak a win. I don't want any to do with people trying to exclude other players. PFs like that deserve to be stuck in the PF and never get filled.

...what business does a new player have to join someone's farm or previous clears only party?...

It is not my business nor is it your business judge what other people intentions or motivations are. But I'd take a guess that, they think they are ready and that they can help and that believe they know the stuff and would not wipe the party, and that they already done their reps in the learning party. Extend them the benefit of doubt and give them a shot until evidence prove otherwise.

I like how you dodged my question yet again...

I know you don't like the answer, but bottom line is "what business and why not"? Give people the freedom and let them sort thing out by themselves.That is the default anyways. You can even report the new player for harassment to GM if you wanted to, but I'm a sure you won't get much traction. But then again the GM may instruct them to not join farm parties before they are ready, who knows.

Happenned to me, three times just yesterday. It happens evey single time.

Three times = everything single time. Right. And it could be the people that have clears that wipe too. And how many times have you tried, not that you'd answer honestly, since to you 3 = every. And in any case that just means there is not enough people with the skill and experience level so that you can throw stuff on the PF and get easy clears. Try it for AV first room farm or Brayflox HM farm, and surely you won't have trouble. Remember once upon a time those got the same problems you have now.

The problem is not about "clearance", the bottom line is there is not enough people yet. So do you part, teach more people and then you will be able to farm any time you like. Take the long view, look at the bigger picture, and this is enlightened self-interest. Excluding people with the "clearance condition" that doesn't work, but will only lead to fewer people being able to do this and more frustration.

[Gucci_Charms]

It is not my business nor is it your business judge what other people intentions or motivations are. But I'd take a guess that, they think they are ready and that they can help and that believe they know the stuff and would not wipe the party, and that they already done their reps in the learning party. Extend them the benefit of doubt and give them a shot until evidence prove otherwise.

So you're saying it's not the business of the 7 players in the farm or previous win party to know that you have no experience only to have them wipe multiple times and waste their time? LOL. You're not ready when you have no prior experience or haven't seen the full fight. You're simply wasting the farm or previous win party's time.

There's no giving the benefit of doubt to ninja winners or new players wishing to be carried.

I'm more confident than ever you are one of those players that try to sneak into farm or previous win parties now. I bet you had a horrible experience of trying to get carried and ninja win where you got booted which is why you're so supportive of the idea of allowing new players waste farm or previous win parties' time.

I know you don't like the answer, but bottom line is "what business and why not"? Give people the freedom and let them sort thing out by themselves.That is the default anyways. You can even report the new player for harassment to GM if you wanted to, but I'm a sure you won't get much traction. But then again the GM may instruct them to not join farm parties before they are ready, who knows.

Exactly. Veteran players have the freedom to decide who they want in their party. If the farming party or previous wins only party doesn't want new players derailing their runs, then new players should understand that. Thanks for proving my point.

Why go through a GM when party leader can just boot them or not let them join from the get-go? LOL.

TLDR: You can keep posting your nonsense posts since you're clearly a troll that clearly supports ninja wins and getting carried LOL. Your recent posts are not even about the subject at hand. It's about who apparently has the right to only use Party Finder and that new players should be allowed get ninja wins and get carried.

[NyarukoW]

... Veteran players have the freedom to decide who they want in their party.....

Everyone has that right to decide not just veterans. So people should be free to decide who to join and people have the right to decide who to accept. So a "clearance condition" is a clear violation of that principle. You need to talk the player joining, and the joining players need to talk to the PF creator. This is not rocket science.

You have the option of going thru the GM when people lie and wipe you, because trolls can do that. But new players are not trolls, and most of them are too scared of the cruel and mean folks like you to bother joining your farm PFs anyways.

Bottom line, clearance condition is useless, and it divides the player base and promotes clear selling and in turn RMT. You might ever get clear sellers themselves joining your group just to troll/wipe you so they get more business. If you don't put in the efforts to recruit your farm static, you don't deserve to get quick farms.

BTW the so called farm PFs I see most, are from PF creators that never cleared themselves, or they have a friend in there that hasn't cleared and they want help to clear their friend. This is a total misrepresentation, and having a clearance condition won't do jack about things like this.

[Gucci_Charms]

Everyone has that right to decide not just veterans. So people should be free to decide what to join and people have the right to decide who to accept. So a "clearance condition" is a clear violation of that principle.

Veteran players are part of the everyone crowd. Therefore, veteran players are free to decide who they want in their party. If they don't want new players in their farm or previous wins only party, they'll simply kick them out from the start or when it becomes apparent that they have no experience upon entering the instance. New players can decide to just enter a farm or previous wins only party without consequence. If new players seriously does this, however, they're just insisting to get insta-booted and blacklisted LOL.

A clearance condition would be a pre-made filter for veteran players to avoid having to deal with nuisances from the get-go.

You're whine to GM because new player cannot read PF requirements suggestion is a joke.

[NyarukoW]

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A clearance condition would be a pre-made filter for veteran players to avoid having to deal with nuisances ...

Dealing with other players is not nuisance, it is all part and parcel of the game. Even dealing with friends might be nuisance to you. If you wanted a single player game, you are in the wrong place.

You do not need a "clearance condition" so you can wishfully think that those that join are all somehow more skilled or experienced. You will get people that bought the clears and wipe you, or people that got clears but are now in there with you to spirit bond, or trolls from clear sellers and RMT sellers just to mess you up (so people that want to farm must all go from farm sellers.)

If you don't put in the time to recruit your farm static, what make you think that you are entitled to have the system find you one?

[Yoninxi]

wat

Until you have dealt with inexperienced people joining and ruining an otherwise good party, you have no credibility to talk. You keep throwing out all of these hypothetical situations of , what if, or ,what if that, when you haven't completed any Endgame fights. You advocate so strongly against a clearance condition because you're probably the one who joined a farm party and didn't like the cruel and evil vets treated you.

[Ashkendor]

Dealing with other players is not nuisance, it is all part and parcel of the game. Even dealing with friends might be nuisance to you. If you wanted a single player game, you are in the wrong place.

We're talking about wanting to play with other vets and you're carrying on about single player games? This makes no sense whatsoever. In any case, dealing with players that lie to you about knowing the content is a nuisance that something as simple as another checkbox added to party finder could alleviate.

If you don't put in the time to recruit your farm static, what make you think that you are entitled to have the system find you one?

Why do you keep going on about farm statics? Seriously, the only statics I see are for SCoB.

Why are you so stuck on this idea that the only time people can farm is in a static? ._.

I seriously can't figure out if you are a really good troll or a really inexperienced player.

[Ellatrix]

..people have the right to decide who to accept..

Great. I choose not to accept people when they haven't cleared it before. I think we're done here.

[NyarukoW]

Great. I choose not to accept people when they haven't cleared it before. I think we're done here.

But the system does NOT need to changed to help you do it. You need to put in the effort to turn people down. You don't get this for free. You need to screen people for your farm static if you want to farm.

Until you have dealt with inexperienced people joining ....

What makes you think I've never had to come across experienced players? Nonethelss even with we wipe repeatedly I don't call it ruining a party. Wiping is part of the game, and it is expected to happen by default. If I am tired, run out of time, I just vote abandon. I've never once tried to sneak a clear with some lousy farm party, because I have no intention of ever misrepresenting myself.

I know you folks like runs liek 11 minute 1-shots of T5, but if you don't put in the effort to recruit a static to do this, why do you think you are entitled to do this any time you want? Why are all the other skilled and experienced supposed be there for you at your beck and call?