Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Kyri]

What we really need is more incentives to helping people clear and get to the point they can farm. I take pride in learning my fights and striving to stay EGish but Any friends who fall behind or started late can't get help outside buying wins and trying to make learning pts no one joins. I won't lie im so damn sick of trying to help people beat t5 I don't wanna do it and i understand why people say "Exp only on farm req" but in the end we only help the people who jumped on that ship as soon as it came out, shunning and forcing the rest to save up and buy a win or quit because they cant get anything done.

That allied note thing sounds like a great idea. no matter how sick i can of t5 id clear people all day every day if it dropped 150 allied notes.

[Leigaon]

That allied note thing sounds like a great idea. no matter how sick i can of t5 id clear people all day every day if it dropped 150 allied notes.

A very nice idea. I don't mind the idea of selecting previous win characters as a criteria. I say that only because it doesn't hurt me whether that's implemented or not. I get wonderful people putting up "semi learning" or "clear" in party finder as it is. Adding in a few allied notes for those already nice people helping get others a clear is a good idea. Let the guy who doesn't want to "waste time" place on the restrictions. You're neglecting people from content I guess but only by so much, they can use party finder, put up a finder themselves..it doesn't actually lock them out 100%.

[NyarukoW]

... Veteran players have the freedom to decide who they want in their party.....

Everyone has that right to decide not just veterans. So people should be free to decide who to join and people have the right to decide who to accept. So a "clearance condition" is a clear violation of that principle. You need to talk the player joining, and the joining players need to talk to the PF creator. This is not rocket science.

You have the option of going thru the GM when people lie and wipe you, because trolls can do that. But new players are not trolls, and most of them are too scared of the cruel and mean folks like you to bother joining your farm PFs anyways.

Bottom line, clearance condition is useless, and it divides the player base and promotes clear selling and in turn RMT. You might ever get clear sellers themselves joining your group just to troll/wipe you so they get more business. If you don't put in the efforts to recruit your farm static, you don't deserve to get quick farms.

BTW the so called farm PFs I see most, are from PF creators that never cleared themselves, or they have a friend in there that hasn't cleared and they want help to clear their friend. This is a total misrepresentation, and having a clearance condition won't do jack about things like this.

[Gucci_Charms]

Everyone has that right to decide not just veterans. So people should be free to decide what to join and people have the right to decide who to accept. So a "clearance condition" is a clear violation of that principle.

Veteran players are part of the everyone crowd. Therefore, veteran players are free to decide who they want in their party. If they don't want new players in their farm or previous wins only party, they'll simply kick them out from the start or when it becomes apparent that they have no experience upon entering the instance. New players can decide to just enter a farm or previous wins only party without consequence. If new players seriously does this, however, they're just insisting to get insta-booted and blacklisted LOL.

A clearance condition would be a pre-made filter for veteran players to avoid having to deal with nuisances from the get-go.

You're whine to GM because new player cannot read PF requirements suggestion is a joke.

[NyarukoW]

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A clearance condition would be a pre-made filter for veteran players to avoid having to deal with nuisances ...

Dealing with other players is not nuisance, it is all part and parcel of the game. Even dealing with friends might be nuisance to you. If you wanted a single player game, you are in the wrong place.

You do not need a "clearance condition" so you can wishfully think that those that join are all somehow more skilled or experienced. You will get people that bought the clears and wipe you, or people that got clears but are now in there with you to spirit bond, or trolls from clear sellers and RMT sellers just to mess you up (so people that want to farm must all go from farm sellers.)

If you don't put in the time to recruit your farm static, what make you think that you are entitled to have the system find you one?

[Ellatrix]

..people have the right to decide who to accept..

Great. I choose not to accept people when they haven't cleared it before. I think we're done here.

[Yoninxi]

wat

Until you have dealt with inexperienced people joining and ruining an otherwise good party, you have no credibility to talk. You keep throwing out all of these hypothetical situations of , what if, or ,what if that, when you haven't completed any Endgame fights. You advocate so strongly against a clearance condition because you're probably the one who joined a farm party and didn't like the cruel and evil vets treated you.

[NyarukoW]

Great. I choose not to accept people when they haven't cleared it before. I think we're done here.

But the system does NOT need to changed to help you do it. You need to put in the effort to turn people down. You don't get this for free. You need to screen people for your farm static if you want to farm.

Until you have dealt with inexperienced people joining ....

What makes you think I've never had to come across experienced players? Nonethelss even with we wipe repeatedly I don't call it ruining a party. Wiping is part of the game, and it is expected to happen by default. If I am tired, run out of time, I just vote abandon. I've never once tried to sneak a clear with some lousy farm party, because I have no intention of ever misrepresenting myself.

I know you folks like runs liek 11 minute 1-shots of T5, but if you don't put in the effort to recruit a static to do this, why do you think you are entitled to do this any time you want? Why are all the other skilled and experienced supposed be there for you at your beck and call?

[Ellatrix]

But the system does NOT need to changed to help you do it. You need to put in the effort to turn people down. You don't get this for free. You need to screen people for your farm static if you want to farm.

So you're jealous of people who can farm things and want them to have to "put in the work" to make a farm team, ignoring the time spent they put in to learn the fight to have it on farm status.

You're like the guy who started flipping out when I wanted to charge gil for 3star synth because "I don't believe the work you did to be able to make it is worth paying for".

[Yoninxi]

ignorance.

Were not screening people for a static . it's a pick up group. Just like newbies have the right to have a learning party, we have the right to have a farm party. You keep throwing out there that people are lazy if they use party finder to farm. But you turn a blind eye to the inexperienced people who don't have clears cause they aren't proactive enough to get their own win like the majority of the vets did. But instead end up joining a farm party and get "abused by the cruel and evil vets" cause they don't want to teach them. If you want help so bad, you need to learn how to help yourself instead of trying to get a free clear handout from someone.

It is not my responsibility to teach every tom dick and harry who joins my party just because I don't have a static. The party finder as it is now allows you to exclude people you don't want, no matter how you decide to twist it to fit your warped view. This is not NyarukoW'S Final Fantasy 14: A Utopia Reborn. Stop being so helpless and learn how to help yourself.

Why are all the other skilled and experienced supposed be there for you at your beck and call?

Conversely , why is it okay to have all experienced players at your beck and call? Its not okay for me to farm in the PF cause Thats lazy, but its perfectly okay for me to teach inexperienced people and wipe for hours until they get it?

If I take the time to learn these fights and do them over and over til I get my win, why am I obligated to do that over and over in the PF to teach someone new , just because I don't have time for a static? How does that make me lazy?

Again I will ask you

What is the duty finder even for if you're not supposed to exclude people from the party finder?

And before you say anything, only SCoB is unable to be duty finder attempted for obvious reasons.