Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Ugh! Party Finder is used to match you up with players that fit your criteria and are interested in the run, hence segregation. Want to set a requirement of i110? That is entirely your choice. Want to require specific roles for the raid? Players are going to get left out. I know the term segregation has negative connotations, and shame on the person for such a loaded word choice. But being able to recruit players that fit your criteria is what makes PF useful.

[MeiUshu]

I dont use PF I tried once and waited for hour at end without anybody joining but one that gave up after a while and there was no specific limitation it was for hydra...before it went on DF. Segregation is correct, because by the self definition, you in fact segregate a part of the *population* by not wanting to have to mix with them, although you can do so, it doesnt make it right, it makes it exactly that a segregation. I personally believe DF is more then enough, a good player is able to play well no matter with whom, not only with those of the same level of him, a good player raises the level of the group he is into. Bad players playing together will rarely evolve if they are not mixed with good players, because well how would you know you are bad if you are exactly like the others ? ...people want the cream of the cream with PF, and this creates two categories and then you complain about bad players (you general you)... wht a world...

Anyway, each to their own, I tested PF once, I will never ever do it ever again. I left all FCs I tried, and left the LS I was into, I since play alone and use exclusively DF, it is a challenge each time, because each time you change *partners* and you need to adjust ....is far more enriching but that is me I dont understand and dont subscribe to PF with kicking people because they failed the first time, if the leader fails does he kick himself ? I highly doubt. Hypocrisie at best

Mei

[Marukoban]

MeiUshu, the whole point of PF is segregation ... PF is to find people with similar progress, skill level, mindset, etc.
If I just want to get a dungeon/trial cleared without being able to choose the criteria, I'll just queue for DF, because DF is exactly PF without any criteria.

Regarding bad players .. well they will always be bad because they don't care to improve their performance or hide behind excuses "I just wanna have fun".
Good players might do badly but they will always think how to improve their performance be it there are good players to guide them or not.
To prove my point, everyone started SCoB "bad" because they don't know anything about the mechanic.
People who can clear without being carried are good because they are always trying to find solution to the mechanic and how to improve their performance.

If you mean inexperienced good player, I'm sure 8 of such players can get through content without being accompanied by more experienced players.
Nowadays the video guide are very comprehensive and detailed too.
If all else fail, you can ask some of the more experienced player in forum (that's what I do ).

[AirGearIkki]

lol next you guys will want a check box for "Have you watched a video of this fight?" but with joking aside I mean I don't see it as a big deal to add in a check box for previous clears or experience towards that duty as a pre-requisite to join that party if that PT wants to sit around all day waiting for experienced players to join so be it. My personal opinion I don't mind helping people or trying to teach them the mechanics or learn myself but I can understand other people get frustrated or just tired of failing over and over again on something that they just want to farm and may seem easy to them since they have done said duty a lot or they just don't have the time in the day to keep on trying. Either way I vote in favor of it even though I will most likely not use it XD

[Aylis]

Join a FC and play together and have fun, enjoy the company of other people. Is this really so hard?

If you want a solo personal trophy house you have to earn it, just like you would a bluebird or tonberry or atma/animus/novus/nexus. Personal vanity should be difficult to get at.

Thank you! You said what I wanted to hear! So just like you just said in the case with housing sooo then why can't exactly a new person, you know? Seek out a FC to learn raid events with to grow with and stay just exactly as that and not even use the evil elitist party finder all together..until maybe when a time comes when they...know the fight and want to farm it on their own free will with others that want the same goals....like how the party finder was made for in the first place?

I'll politely ignore the comment of comparing nexus weapons to vanity items, that's just....yeah... I will say though I'm really happy you play FFXIV because I'd hate to witness how you would react to games where getting started in raiding is not as lax as it is here and new people have a much easier chance to break into raiding here if they so choose with the options at their fingertips.

[BloodPact]

The benefit of that would be negligible most of the times as clearing a content doesn't necessarily correlate with knowledge of the fight or skill of a player (in both a general sense and for that specific boss). I can't count how many times I've had people who haven't cleared but have some experience in the instance do a lot better than people with a win. They just were unlucky to get with the shitty groups.

[NyarukoW]

Thank you! You said what I wanted to hear! ... Seek out a FC to learn raid events with to grow with and stay just exactly as that..

And they should never use the party finder for evil to exclude other people. I always advocated for people working together, join and FC, use the LS, form a static. These are good things to do. I don't know why you think people after a while all need to be like that and abuse the PF to exclude people just to farm. I reminds of "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" , why is it that you think all the nice people as they progress and all have to turn into witches?

A Party Finder that doesn't segregate is a pretty crappy Party Finder, ...

The party finder is for bringing people together with common goal and not a tool to segregate and divide up the player base. It is actually working very well. Those who want "quick and easy" kill/clear/farms all deserve each other. If you don't put in the effort to recruit people for your farm static, and if you don't up in the effort to learn the fight, and just want the "quick and easy", what you get is a "quick and easy" wipe and that is the just reward for people that don't up in the effort to do things the right way.

Just because you may have learned the fight does NOT entitle you have other people at your beck and call to farm, and a "clearance condition" will get you the same people that have no experience and/or no skill but merely bought the clears. And in the process this promotes RMT, and it divides up the playerbase. The "clearance condition" not only will not achieve its goal, but also it will be bad for the game overall, and a PR nightmare for SE because "clearance condition" equals "we hate new players" or "new players not wanted".

[Cynfael]

Some people are getting hung up on semantics.

When you create a PF for T5 and decide that you would prefer to have at least one PLD, you are practicing a form of segregation. When you decide to run with a solo healer in PF, same thing. Making your own party by definition allows you to set the terms and means that some players will be excluded. Is it bad or wrong to say "Geez, I'd like to have a DPS limit break, so better make sure I don't end up with 4 bards?"

This whole thread has become ridiculous. If you want 100% random set ups within the parameters set by the game, stick to DF. However, be warned that you will find it virtually impossible to advance your duty and story progression until A) former end-game content hits DF and B) it has been out long enough that you actually have a chance to be matched with others who know the fight or are patient enough to learn with you.

[NyarukoW]

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When you create a PF for T5 and decide that you would prefer to have at least one PLD, you are practicing a form of segregation. When you decide to run with a solo healer in PF, same thing. ..

That is not segregation by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone that can tank and/or heal being invited to join your party, but you don't know until you actually try it as to whether if they can really tank or heal, and people can easily switch roles when they are in party. I've seen people join parties and then ask if someone can be a beter DPS so they can heal or tank or whatever. It is more of communication mechanism to the world about want kind of party composition is being put together.

[Gucci_Charms]

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So unless a farming party that wants previous winners and fully experienced players is not willing to accept new players into their party, they have no right to use Party Finder? Laughable.

With that said, no one is allowed to Party Finder unless new players are welcomed in their party? New players should just be allowed to bypass any requirements or conditions that are preset by the party leader? LOL.

You are saying all farming parties must be a pre-made static that can never use Party Finder even if this group requires fill-ins? How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party? Are they supposed to /tell everyone on their friends list, LS, FC instead of just using Party Finder? You are forgetting a farming party can comprise of 8 random players that have never grouped with each other.

The reality of the FFXIV community is that not everyone wants to hold hands and waste each other's time when the majority of players are busy people. If they want to help each other, that would be great. I'm sure everyone in here can vouch they enjoy helping new players to an extent. When they are trying to work on their own needs in-game, however, they are not obligated to help you.

TLDR: You only want Party Finder designed to accommodate your own specific play style. You clearly do not understand the Party Finder's functionality. Hilarious troll post!!!!!!!!!!!