Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

The PF host should have the system grant them the power to exclude people.

You just contradicted all your posts that you oppose inside this thread to date. Good job!

You want power granted to the PF creator more so than they should have or rightfully deserve. If you want to farm, you need to recruit, and give people the chance to try out.

Ya you need to recruit via Party Finder. Farm parties are primarily designed previous winners only or those who have nearly downed it. A new player with no prior experience has no business joining it to waste the other 7 people's time. Again, you are simply asking to be blacklisted and booted from the party. The specific farm or previous win party is under no obligation let you "try out."

The PF functions perfectly fine for that purpose, and it brings people together to achieve a goal, and not so that it can exclude people.

Ya you're right it does work perfectly for filtering players. A clearance checkbox just adds an extra filter so it prevent new players from joining farm or previous winners parties and waste everyone's time.

The "clearance condition" not only does not work and divides the community, it is just way for lazy people who don't want to work thru the networking and recruiting process to find the people for their farm group. How was it you put, be proactive, and not expect the system to give it to you.

The lazy one is the new player joining the farm or previous wins only party to try and get their ninja win. These parties are not designed for your learning experience. If you want to learn, join or create a learning party. In this sense, the one being lazy is the new player because he/she does not want to recruit or find people for their learning party.

Do you even know what proactive means?

Your posts are laughable. Please put more effort into your arguments prior to posting them. Thx <3

[NyarukoW]

You just contradicted all your posts that you oppose inside this thread to date. Good job!

You jump on my post when I still adding editing the post. Good job. Woohoo congrats.

BTW I don't join farm parties, and I have stated many times in this thread I don't approve condone or support anyone looking to exclude people.

What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.

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If you are in PF you arent beggin you are HIRING ...

Absolutely NOT. What are the compensatios? The salary wage payouts? Seriously, you guys abusing the PF think too highly of yourself. This is the entitlement mentality, you think the rest of the player base is your servants, slaves that should just show up at your beck and call? That is rude and inconsiderate to the utmost.

The people that want a "clearance condition" are being mentally lazy thinking that "cleared" equal skills. Your farm parties will supposedly "cleared people" will still wipe over and over. Then what? Put in the effort to recruit people with skill, and that can only be demonstrated by actually doing the instance.

The fact that we can give an absurbly high item level to PF sertermines that you CAN exclude people.

Since when did gear level equal skill? In any case, dungeons have iLevel requirements, so this is in line with that, it is just a clumsy implementation open to abuse by foolish people who thinks that it equates to skill. Lots of people can hunt and fate grind and get to iLevel110 right now. So just what does it exclude? It is meant so that meets the minium requirement for things like Brayflox HM or Hullbreakers which have iLevel requirements is all.

[LegendWait]

BTW I don't join farm parties, and I have stated many times in this thread I don't approve condone or support anyone looking to exclude people.

So you're are total troll.

[Yoninxi]

selfish, hypocrisy.

You don't condone exclusion, but you condone someone joining a farm party with 0 experience and wiping the party only cause they need to learn? In a farming party.

Gear != skill, but a win at least means you saw the entire fight start do finish and know how to negotiate the Mechanics. If you suck you get booted as always. Please. Just. Stop.

[NyarukoW]

You don't condone exclusion, but you condone someone joining a farm party with 0 experience and wiping the party only cause they need to learn? In a farming party.

Where have I ever promoted the notion that newbies go join farm parties to wipe people? I just say people that want to farm should have their parties together already, but if they are using the PF, they do NOT have the right to exclude newbies. The PF is not tool for them to exclude people. If they happen to get newbie, they should help the newbie learn. If you don't want to do that, don't abuse the PF.

Gear != skill, but a win ...

A win/clear does NOT equal knowledge or skill of the mechanics either. They could have been dead in the corner from being to end of a instance and got a clear too.

.. Stop acting like veteran players owe you anything and must help you.

I do NOT owe them veteran players anything either. I do NOT want to help them or join their farm parties so they can be stuck on the PF forever just like the clear selling parties, and other advertisements.

The system also does NOT owe the farming people a way for efficient farming if they are not going to put in the effort to recruit and tryout people. If you want to have stuff on farm status, have your 4/8 man static set and have a schedule in place. Do NOT abuse the PF to be rude and inconsiderate and excluding people from participation.

The "clearnace condition" is just one more lousy schoolyard antics of the older sibling trying to exclude their younger sibling from participating. You know your parents will never approve and neither will SE.

[Yoninxi]

Where have I ever promoted the notion that newbies go join farm parties to wipe people? I just say people that want to farm should have their parties together already, but if they are using the PF, they do NOT have the right to exclude newbies. The PF is not tool for them to exclude people. If they happen to get newbie, they should help the newbie learn. If you don't want to do that, don't abuse the PF.



A win/clear does NOT equal knowledge or skill of the mechanics either. They could have been dead in the corner from being to end of a instance and got a clear too.

I'm convinced you're trolling now.

[NyarukoW]

I'm convinced you're trolling now.

You know what that sound like ... "But MOM!!"
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Mom goes, "but what"

You say "my brother is too slow"

Mom tells you, "help your brother include him in your games"

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It is not about efficiency, it is about including everyone. The clearance condition is wrong and bad at every level. Your priorities are wrong, and the "clearance condition" will NOT be a easy button to farming heaven.

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Salary is the collective objective set in the PF finder example: what we are farming for.
...Basicly your logic makes ME a slave to the rest of the player base...

That hardly sounds like being paid for service. That is a shared objective, so they are not your slave, and they are NOT being hired either. It is people coming together with an agreement to achieve said goal. You are not slave nor are they, and you are not some employer nor are they your employee. So you don't get to exclude them with some bogus "clearance condition" that does NOT equate to skill anyways.

And it is your logic that is broken. You don't have to teach if you don't want to, but still don't get to exclude people. You can wipe and you can vote abandon, and try someone else. You do NOT get to shortcut this process, nor do you have a right to shortcut this process. If you are using the PF, you are at the mercy of people joining to help you. You are begging, beggars can not be choosers.

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And just like newbies are no more entitled to free carry/clears, nor are any of you entitled to get a "clearance condition" button for easy farming. It doesn't matter if you put in the time to learn the fight etc. If you want to farm you need to put in the time and effort to recruit. The PF is not there for you to abuse. And you certainly do NOT get the right to divide up the player base and promote clear sells and RMT in turn. So leave well enough alone, let things be as they are.

[Yoninxi]

wat

There you go comparing people without clears to disabled people again.

Give me one good reason why I should spend my limited daily time teaching people I don't know and I'm in no way shape or form obligated to help? If I want to help people I join a learning/clear party to help them.which I do often. If I want a farm, ie quick repeated kill party, I'm not gonna be bothered with teaching anyone. I'm sure that anyone joining the farm party shares those same sentiments.

We already did our time dying hundreds of times to learn the content. Why should people without clears be able to bypass that and try to get free carries?. And before someone jumps in, I am NOT talking about people who are able to kill it, but just haven't put the nail in the coffin yet.

Notice how I keep bolding learning / clear party? Maybe you'll catch on and realize what they're for and stop comparing people without clears to people that need handicap ramps or are mentally slow.

[Mutemutt]

And it is your logic that is broken. You don't have to teach if you don't want to, but still don't get to exclude people. You can wipe and you can vote abandon, and try someone else. You do NOT get to shortcut this process, nor do you have a right to shortcut this process. If you are using the PF, you are at the mercy of people joining to help you. You are begging, beggars can not be choosers.

And here I was, under the impression that you could set the rules for your own party. If I want a party with 7 whm and 1 pld, I expect everyone that joins to adhere to that rule. Would that be excluding people? Yes. But am I allowed to do that? Yes. My party, my rules; if someone doesn't like that, or just can't do that, they don't get to join.

Honestly, if people are looking to learn or are just trying to clear, they should make their own pf for that; get people of similar situations to join them and some friends (or complete strangers) that just feel like helping to come along. They should not be allowed to join any and every party they want. If someone really wants to join any party and not have to worry about any rules, they can use duty finder.

[Magis]

You know what that sound like ... "But MOM!!"
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Mom goes, "but what"

You say "my brother is too slow"

Mom tells you, "help your brother include him in your games"

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It is not about efficiency, it is about including everyone. The clearance condition is wrong and bad at every level. Your priorities are wrong, and the "clearance condition" will NOT be a easy button to farming heaven.

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Holy shit this post is offensive to both disabled people (implying they can't clear), and players trying the content themselves. Good job comparing a video game to struggles the disabled have IRL.