Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

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One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"
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That is not exclusionary in anyway whatsoever. It is there to protect the 1st-timers and newbies from trolls and speed runners looking to make a mess of things. The player can choose to join or not join, whereas a clearance condition takes that choice away from the players. So don't even try to compare the two.

[Gucci_Charms]

Suggestions

A clearance option would reduce and prevent new players from running into such risks. Right now, entering a farm or previous wins only party with no prior experience means that person would likely end up getting booted and blacklisted not long after they join. Having such a filter would save peoples time from the get-go.

The clearance option would also give new players more incentive to train harder and learn the troublesome fights. That's really the best and only way to keep training at "higher standards." If veteran players want to help, they will join by their own free will.

That is not exclusionary in anyway whatsoever. It is there to protect the 1st-timers and newbies from trolls and speed runners looking to make a mess of things. The player can choose to join or not join, whereas a clearance condition takes that choice away from the players. So don't even try to compare the two.

That's the point of the clearance condition - so you don't join in the first place and they don't have to deal with your crappy performance that waste everyone's time. So technically, the new player would be the one making the mess out of things.

Farm or previous win parties that don't want you to join because you're new and have no experience means they're trolls now? LOL... wow...

[Yoninxi]

That is not exclusionary in anyway whatsoever. It is there to protect the 1st-timers and newbies from trolls and speed runners looking to make a mess of things. The player can choose to join or not join, whereas a clearance condition takes that choice away from the players. So don't even try to compare the two.

Your double standard is disgusting. The check box would be there to protect people from that one person with no experience who can currently join a farm group just because they want to learnlearn, or troll. They can chose to join or not, but they do and ruin it for the 7 other people.. Stop being a hypocrite.

[NyarukoW]

That's the point of the clearance condition - so you don't join in the first place ...

The PF host should NOT have the system grant them the power to exclude people. The "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping" in no way excludes anyone, and it doesn't stop trolls from joining either, but it just stops them from skipping cutscenes.

You want power granted to the PF creator more so than they should have or rightfully deserve. If you want to farm, you need to recruit, and give people the chance to try out. The PF functions perfectly fine for that purpose, and it brings people together to achieve a goal, and not so that it can exclude people. The "clearance condition" not only does not work and divides the community, it is just way for lazy people who don't want to work thru the networking and recruiting process to find the people for their farm group. How was it you put, be proactive, and not expect the system to give it to you.

Your double standard is disgusting. ....

There is no double standard. You people take for granted the people that join and help fill out your parties so you can do stuff. You fail to see that you are benefitting from the kindness of others, and that the power to join should always remain with the players joining, and the party creator, using the system like the "clearance condition" to exclude them. To put it bluntly, if you are on the PF, you are begging, and beggars do not have the right be choosers.

[Gucci_Charms]

The PF host should have the system grant them the power to exclude people.

You just contradicted all your posts that you oppose inside this thread to date. Good job!

You want power granted to the PF creator more so than they should have or rightfully deserve. If you want to farm, you need to recruit, and give people the chance to try out.

Ya you need to recruit via Party Finder. Farm parties are primarily designed previous winners only or those who have nearly downed it. A new player with no prior experience has no business joining it to waste the other 7 people's time. Again, you are simply asking to be blacklisted and booted from the party. The specific farm or previous win party is under no obligation let you "try out."

The PF functions perfectly fine for that purpose, and it brings people together to achieve a goal, and not so that it can exclude people.

Ya you're right it does work perfectly for filtering players. A clearance checkbox just adds an extra filter so it prevent new players from joining farm or previous winners parties and waste everyone's time.

The "clearance condition" not only does not work and divides the community, it is just way for lazy people who don't want to work thru the networking and recruiting process to find the people for their farm group. How was it you put, be proactive, and not expect the system to give it to you.

The lazy one is the new player joining the farm or previous wins only party to try and get their ninja win. These parties are not designed for your learning experience. If you want to learn, join or create a learning party. In this sense, the one being lazy is the new player because he/she does not want to recruit or find people for their learning party.

Do you even know what proactive means?

Your posts are laughable. Please put more effort into your arguments prior to posting them. Thx <3

[LegendWait]

The PF functions perfectly fine for that purpose, and it brings people together to achieve a goal, and not so that it can exclude people.

The fact that we can give an absurbly high item level to PF sertermines that you CAN exclude people.

...To put it bluntly, if you are on the PF, you are begging, and beggars do not have the right be choosers.

If you are in PF you arent beggin you are HIRING, and if you HIRE you get to choose the COMPETENCE of your candidates.


Stop embarrassing yourself, all your arguments are flawed, biased, full of double standards and serve no purpose whatsoever to the current debate

[NyarukoW]

You just contradicted all your posts that you oppose inside this thread to date. Good job!

You jump on my post when I still adding editing the post. Good job. Woohoo congrats.

BTW I don't join farm parties, and I have stated many times in this thread I don't approve condone or support anyone looking to exclude people.

What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.

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If you are in PF you arent beggin you are HIRING ...

Absolutely NOT. What are the compensatios? The salary wage payouts? Seriously, you guys abusing the PF think too highly of yourself. This is the entitlement mentality, you think the rest of the player base is your servants, slaves that should just show up at your beck and call? That is rude and inconsiderate to the utmost.

The people that want a "clearance condition" are being mentally lazy thinking that "cleared" equal skills. Your farm parties will supposedly "cleared people" will still wipe over and over. Then what? Put in the effort to recruit people with skill, and that can only be demonstrated by actually doing the instance.

The fact that we can give an absurbly high item level to PF sertermines that you CAN exclude people.

Since when did gear level equal skill? In any case, dungeons have iLevel requirements, so this is in line with that, it is just a clumsy implementation open to abuse by foolish people who thinks that it equates to skill. Lots of people can hunt and fate grind and get to iLevel110 right now. So just what does it exclude? It is meant so that meets the minium requirement for things like Brayflox HM or Hullbreakers which have iLevel requirements is all.

[LegendWait]

BTW I don't join farm parties, and I have stated many times in this thread I don't approve condone or support anyone looking to exclude people.

So you're are total troll.

[Yoninxi]

selfish, hypocrisy.

You don't condone exclusion, but you condone someone joining a farm party with 0 experience and wiping the party only cause they need to learn? In a farming party.

Gear != skill, but a win at least means you saw the entire fight start do finish and know how to negotiate the Mechanics. If you suck you get booted as always. Please. Just. Stop.

[Gucci_Charms]

What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.

Farming party = tryout party? What?

There is nothing efficient about a farming party comprising of 7 fully experienced with multiple wins to take a random new player over someone else who has full experience with multiple wins. The purpose of farming parties is to do multiple runs with limited mistakes, wipes, and within the fastest time. Adding a new player with no prior experience to this group results in opportunity costs.

Seriously, you guys abusing the PF think too highly of yourself. This is the entitlement mentality, you think the rest of the player base is your servants, slaves that should just show up at your beck and call? That is rude and inconsiderate to the utmost.

The people that want a "clearance condition" are being mentally lazy thinking that "cleared" equal skills. Your farm parties will supposedly "cleared people" will still wipe over and over. Then what? Put in the effort to recruit people with skill, and that can only be demonstrated by actually doing the instance.

The one acting entitled is yourself. Stop acting like veteran players owe you anything and must help you.

How about you put in the effort to make your learning party and recruit people to help you learn it? In doing so, you will be able to learn the instance. Don't sneak into farm or previous win parties to snag a win or learn it there. Now that is rude and inconsiderate!