Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[PArcher]

Just because someone has a clear does not mean they know the fight.

Just because someone has yet to clear does not mean they will cause the group to fail

People get carried all the time through content, either by friends/fc, randoms or sellers. Many farm groups I've joined have been ruined by people who have been carried.
A clear condition will not help this at all.
At the same time, I have been in Farm parties where a "new" person has snuck in, and we've gone on to farm the instance for several kills.

Ultimately, this help run-sellers (and RMT) the most.

[NyarukoW]

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The system we're referring to is Party Finder. It is designed to [B]NOT[B] filter out players for your party needs.

Fixed it for you.

If a specific party is looking for previous winners only ...

That is flat out wrong use of the party finder. It is has how you put it? See:

it is just straight up inconsiderate and rude.

If you want to farm, get your 4 or 8 players you know well and go farm. Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

What you can do is have farm tryout parties of the PF, and let people try out to see if they can make your cut. Then you an farm all you like.

[Gucci_Charms]

Does not make sense Party Finder Rant Arguments

Party Finder is open to anyone.

Party Finder enables players to filter for people based on specific criteria.

If you ever need fill ins for your farm or clear group, you post it in Party Finder.

LOL. I know for a fact you wouldn't make the cut since you clearly don't have any coil i90/110 or primal gear.

[Ashkendor]

Fixed it for you.

That is flat out wrong use of the party finder. It is has how you put it? See:

If you want to farm, get your 4 or 8 players you know well and go farm. Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

What you can do is have farm tryout parties of the PF, and let people try out to see if they can make your cut. Then you an farm all you like.

I don't have words. ._.

[Shougun]

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I understand the purpose of PF, and why it was originally birthed - to help keep accountability (trolling in DF matters little, trolling in your server can have huge repercussions). I am not concerned for the Ninja looters, I am concerned for a healthy mind set for the community at large, this option looks to be one of those options that could greater spur players down a more unwelcoming, unfriendly, undesirable server. Even though the first purpose was not to do that, OP is not demanding a drop in player health, I know this.. lol, he just wants a less stressful way to get players who likely don't suck. I've suggested ways to do that without what -I- think will damage the already unstable structures MMO's social health rely on. We need not help what is already a common issue, throwing logs to the flames no one likes.

Those against this feature keep claiming it is to segregate or promote community divide.

The real issue I am seeing, however, is that new players won't be able to get carried or put the effort to learn the specific instance on their own. That's really what it is coming down to. It is not even about elitism or being a "jerk." It's about not being able to join 7 other players who put in the effort to down the specific content and then leech of their skills to get your ninja win.

^ You are insinuating if not outwardly just saying "people who think the system will promote a division are actually just concerned about getting their easy undeserved win and being a ninja looter". It is inaccurate and insulting. This what I was referring to.

[Gucci_Charms]

You are insinuating if not outwardly just saying "people who think the system will promote a division are actually just concerned about getting their easy undeserved win and being a ninja looter". It is inaccurate and insulting. This what I was referring to.

What other reason does a new player have to join a party posted in PF that is devoted strictly to farming or asking for previous winners only?

[StubHub]

Don't put PF looking to exclude people.

So as it stands now. The PF currently has check boxes to identify the play style of the PF group.

One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"

This is exclusionary to me as someone who does not desire to watch the story again. Why should people be allowed to exclude me as i simply just want to enter, and complete the duty as fast as possible.

You're either a hypocrite with an extreme bias towards people with different playstyle preference than yourself. Or an idiot. Or both.

[Gucci_Charms]

So as it stands now. The PF currently has check boxes to identify the play style of the PF group.

One of them reads. "Story-Focused, no cutscene skipping"

This is exclusionary to me as someone who does not desire to watch the story again. Why should people be allowed to exclude me as i simply just want to enter, and complete the duty as fast as possible.

You're either a hypocrite with an extreme bias towards people with different playstyle preference than yourself. Or an idiot. Or both.

You made me LOL literally +1!

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Those elitists are selfish! What about me!

[Shougun]

What other reason does a new player have to join a party posted in PF that is devoted strictly to farming or asking for previous winners only?

People joining a group with no intention of following the group's rules are at their own risk, again GMs can enforce group rules - I'd highly recommend anyone joining a group they're not setup for to ask first. Not only can you get socially ostracized with blacklists but also there is a possibility of a punishment/warning from SE.

A button however will make all of this easier and more popular*, farm parties existing does not bother me - it becoming an incredibly popular, easy, strong option I see as being a danger to social structure, and from certain perspectives also game wise. A bit different scenario, so don't mistake me saying they're "exactly" the same, but in 1.0 I spent 5 hours shouting for 3 people to just lend their bodies for Ifrit (easy easy mode), as content gets old we don't need any more barriers for new people.

Systems I've tried to suggest in this thread try to train players to a higher standard but attempt to keep social hoops as low as possible, they're a bit of a compromise I know.. but if the Maat ARR fight or Echo Training dungeons are not poorly made it would at least get players to a level a veteran could hopefully work with without abundant hair pulling stress (and help new people become veterans with less stress).

*amount of new exclusions and new consistency of pure enforcement is hard to say, but it is easy to assume that easy to do actions that make other actions easier are preferred and thus popular.