Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Ehayte]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass, as most people have all the sol gear they want for their main jobs (I have my tanks and my monk fully Sol geared aside from the few pieces of HA I have, screw coil RNG but that's another story).

If the Relic weapon gave you anything aside from a marginally better weapon than you can get by doing ST and Hullbreaker Isle, it would be a different story. For instance, if I could link a MNK Nexus to my hot bar and activate it once every 2.5 minutes for a 15 second 2x magnification of my current stance (FoF, FoW, FoE), I'd grind it, because that would be something that I cannot get anywhere else. Or a 15 second 700% increase to MND on my PLD every 3 minutes so I could use Cure for a few seconds effectively. As it stands, if you are an extreme min/maxer, willing to spend a butt-load of time, or a butt-load of gil, you can get a...iunno 1.5% increase in your DPS by getting your Nexus weap over your HA? Or Novus over unweathered?

Its just not a good time : reward ratio.

[Amused]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass, as most people have all the sol gear they want for their main jobs (I have my tanks and my monk fully Sol geared aside from the few pieces of HA I have, screw coil RNG but that's another story).

Relic is not supposed to be as accessible as other gear. That's the whole reason why that other gear exists in the first place. If relic was fast and easy there would be no need to even make any new weapons other than for vanity purposes.

[Aegis]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good. Getting a UAT is a joke, and 1300 Soldiery is not that difficult to amass.

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

[ZodiacSoldier]

I plan to only finish one of my Relics, the other 8 are currently on Zenith and will probably stay there unless they do something that makes it easier to upgrade your relics after the first. Atma took me about 12 hours, which isn't bad, but the Books are too much of a pain, and the cost for materia on my server is pretty high, dont wanna infuse all my relics. Then there is the light grind which isn't exactly a walk in the park.

[Sholah]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. The UAT weapons are what you fall back on while waiting to upgrade your relic or get that Coil drop. Not everything in this game needs to be given to you so easily. Have you people ever heard of effort and dedication? Have you ever actually worked for anything?

[Lynneth]

I have a Nexus for my PLD and a Novus for my DRG, will slowly make that a Nexus. I have 3 atmas towards my next set, and I'm only going to complete atmas for SAM, DNC, or maybe some other job if one catches my eye in the expansion, not really interested in Ninja.

I'm still less than 1800 fates total., had my first atma set in under 1100.

[Ehayte]

Relic is not supposed to be as accessible as other gear. That's the whole reason why that other gear exists in the first place. If relic was fast and easy there would be no need to even make any new weapons other than for vanity purposes.

Why is it not as accessible? For the bragging rights to say you have it? Not worth it, subjectively. That's all I'm saying.

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

And then 9 myth books, and then 75 alexandrite and 8mil gil to get your materia.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. . .

Why? Because it glows?

Look, all I am saying is that when I take a step back and look at the total amount of hours needed to obtain the Relic Novus or Nexus, versus the total hours to get an unweathered Sol weap in today's current game, it is comically unbalanced. Relic is the only thing that takes any amount of real effort, and its not worth it.

[RiceisNice]

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. The UAT weapons are what you fall back on while waiting to upgrade your relic or get that Coil drop. Not everything in this game needs to be given to you so easily. Have you people ever heard of effort and dedication? Have you ever actually worked for anything?

RNG allows the words "Effort" and "dedication" be incredibly skewed. I certainly have a lot of dedication and spent a lot of effort in getting 3 atmas in the span of one hour and 23 FATEs, while my FC mate spent days on a single one (Maiden I believe) that I literally hopped upon the first FATE when I joined her farming party.

The Atma step failed in gating how long it takes for someone to finish the step in that regard. The steps did a better job than this by requiring large amounts of mythology, alexendrites and lights (all of which can be curbed by having a lot of dedication and putting effort into actual grinding). Atma doesn't. Hell, Atma doesn't even give you a tangible reward and I feel like my weapon gets weaker with losing the glow...despite the goddamn NPC gloating that it has newfound powers and tells me to bask in it.

[Odd]

It had been a while since it took me almost 2000 fates to get my Atma. So long in fact, that I started looking at it through rose coloured glassed. I was telling myself it couldn't have been as bad as I remembered it being. I convinced myself of this, and started working on a second set.
The first one dropped within 4 Fates, nice! "This really isn't that bad I can do this" -the words came to mind immediately. Then I spent 8 hours over the next two days looking for another one, but came up empty. That's when I remembered the rage. That's when I threw my controller as hard as I could at a big fluffy pillow. "This really is that bad and I cant do this again"

I want another 12 Atma for NIN, but not until the raise the drop rate.

[Divine_Intervention]

Reading through the last few pages, one that comes up a lot is " it takes dedication" or "it takes patience, time and hard work and perseverance".

Isn't that in direct contrast to SE's aim of the Relic being a weapon that casual gamers can work on if they don't/won't/can't raid for gear?

Or , as it stands now, is the relic weapon alright for casual players up to zenith?