Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Divine_Intervention]

Feel free to change your mind, none of my business i guess. I just find it very funny that you change your mind AFTER finishing an atma weapon.
And i'll try to find the citation at some point.

[Aegis]

@Aegis
Learning blue magic at level 1 was pretty frustrating though, as you could not raise your BLU skill level unless you used BLU magic (more BLU skill meant better chance at learning BLU magic, for those who do not know). Though once you learn your first spell, it was an amazing feeling. Aside from trying to learn the first spell, the only part I think I hated the most was when I tried to learn Blue Magic from beastmen, since they have a massive move list depending on what Job they were (Tonberry's especially. Light of Penance was a nightmare to learn because the Tonberry would never use it... they LOVED to use Throat Stab, though). But yeah, forgot to mention that learning Blue Magic was a fun experience. Atma, however, is not.

Yes, learning Blue Magic was entirely RNG as well, however, to learn the magic, you needed the mob to use their ability. If they used their ability, then there was a chance you would learn it. If your skill level was high enough, you'd learn it pretty quick. Atma, however, lacks all of that. No monster in a FATE has 'Atma Lights' attacks. There's also no 'combat skill levels' in XIV to make the drop rate higher. It's just purely RNG urgh times.

I don't think it was ever proven increasing Blue Magic skill increased your odds of learning. You had to be within a certain skill range (30, was it) to be able to learn, but I think that once you were there, you had as much chance as anyone else. I know a couple of spells that I learnt more or less immediately as soon as I was eligible to, and some others that took days even though I had over levelled them by quite a bit.

My first was Sprout Smack followed by Pollen, once I had pollen, the rest became a breeze because I could keep myself alive so much longer.

But RNG is RNG, and FFXI was the land of superstitions. YMMV.

[Tsuwu]

Got my last Atma in about 35 minutes after my last post (7:57 AM) and class this morning (9 AM).
12/12 in just about 27 hours, spread across maybe 400 fates over the course of 5 days.

Again, might just be lucky, but it doesn't seem that broken.
Wasn't that bad the first time.
Was even easier the second time.

I do plan to do it a third time, increase or no.
I'm not saying this to oppose an increase, rather just to point out it isn't a horrible system, it isn't broken, and it doesn't need "fixing".

That's all.

[Haibel]

However, working on it casually, i'm sure someone did the math of this somewhere, would take an INSANELY long time. I'm sure even casual players want to get stuff done.

Casual gamer here. I had mine done in about 20 hours over the course of 3 or 4 weeks. I'm about two books away from being done on animus. I have started collecting more atma because I just completed all jobs to 50. I'm a legacy player who was also a 1.0 alpha player, Paid for every single month that this game has been pay to play. My Achievements unlike a lot of peoples are public. you can verify that I'm pretty damn casual about this game. there is nothing wrong with atma.

[SDaemon]

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

12 atma cannot be easily done in that time, it can be done. But saying it is easy or difficult ignores the fact that it is RNG.

[Aegis]

12 atma cannot be easily done in that time, it can be done. But saying it is easy or difficult ignores the fact that it is RNG.

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

[Rex]

Joined forums in June.. joined game at ps3 release with a different character.. so yeah.. good job for trying to throw peoples join dates around xD

I guess that's why I pointed out "Joined FORUMS" in June, which means you weren't here when they addressed the issue.

So nice try making it seem like I don't know what I'm saying.

[SDaemon]

But it can be easily done. Just look at the two posts above mine. It doesn't mean it will be easily done, but it certainly can.

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

[Aegis]

The point of my post what to bring to your attention that atma farming is neither easy or difficult. It is just pure RNG. The two posts above showed that it can be done in a relatively low amount of time, however RNG shows that it can also take a relatively long amount of time. In your example you said that you can farm for a soldiery weapon in 3 weeks and that atma can be farmed in 3 weeks as well. The first most certainly holds true, but the atma part is not definite. You have no way of knowing. Therefore the soldiery option is the most reliable and 100% certain to be done in those 3 weeks. Really I just want to stress to you that atma farming is not easy or difficult, again its pure RNG.

And RNG also means the entire server never makes another Tier III materia again meaning no-one will ever get another relic. It's statistically unlikely, but possible. Just like putting in three weeks' worth of FATE farming and not getting a full Atma set.

[SDaemon]

You are far far more likely to put in 3 weeks worth of atma farming and not have a complete set than you are to never get a T3 materia ever. Sorry.