Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[Sholah]

The reason Atma should get nerfed is because its SO EASY now to get something almost as good.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. The UAT weapons are what you fall back on while waiting to upgrade your relic or get that Coil drop. Not everything in this game needs to be given to you so easily. Have you people ever heard of effort and dedication? Have you ever actually worked for anything?

[Ehayte]

Relic is not supposed to be as accessible as other gear. That's the whole reason why that other gear exists in the first place. If relic was fast and easy there would be no need to even make any new weapons other than for vanity purposes.

Why is it not as accessible? For the bragging rights to say you have it? Not worth it, subjectively. That's all I'm saying.

1300 Soldiery = 3 weeks, no way around that (at the moment)

12 Atma can easily be done in that time.

And then 9 myth books, and then 75 alexandrite and 8mil gil to get your materia.

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. . .

Why? Because it glows?

Look, all I am saying is that when I take a step back and look at the total amount of hours needed to obtain the Relic Novus or Nexus, versus the total hours to get an unweathered Sol weap in today's current game, it is comically unbalanced. Relic is the only thing that takes any amount of real effort, and its not worth it.

[RiceisNice]

No, that's the exact reason it -shouldn't- be nerfed. A relic is supposed to take time and effort. The UAT weapons are what you fall back on while waiting to upgrade your relic or get that Coil drop. Not everything in this game needs to be given to you so easily. Have you people ever heard of effort and dedication? Have you ever actually worked for anything?

RNG allows the words "Effort" and "dedication" be incredibly skewed. I certainly have a lot of dedication and spent a lot of effort in getting 3 atmas in the span of one hour and 23 FATEs, while my FC mate spent days on a single one (Maiden I believe) that I literally hopped upon the first FATE when I joined her farming party.

The Atma step failed in gating how long it takes for someone to finish the step in that regard. The steps did a better job than this by requiring large amounts of mythology, alexendrites and lights (all of which can be curbed by having a lot of dedication and putting effort into actual grinding). Atma doesn't. Hell, Atma doesn't even give you a tangible reward and I feel like my weapon gets weaker with losing the glow...despite the goddamn NPC gloating that it has newfound powers and tells me to bask in it.

[ZodiacSoldier]

I plan to only finish one of my Relics, the other 8 are currently on Zenith and will probably stay there unless they do something that makes it easier to upgrade your relics after the first. Atma took me about 12 hours, which isn't bad, but the Books are too much of a pain, and the cost for materia on my server is pretty high, dont wanna infuse all my relics. Then there is the light grind which isn't exactly a walk in the park.

[Lynneth]

I have a Nexus for my PLD and a Novus for my DRG, will slowly make that a Nexus. I have 3 atmas towards my next set, and I'm only going to complete atmas for SAM, DNC, or maybe some other job if one catches my eye in the expansion, not really interested in Ninja.

I'm still less than 1800 fates total., had my first atma set in under 1100.

[Divine_Intervention]

Reading through the last few pages, one that comes up a lot is " it takes dedication" or "it takes patience, time and hard work and perseverance".

Isn't that in direct contrast to SE's aim of the Relic being a weapon that casual gamers can work on if they don't/won't/can't raid for gear?

Or , as it stands now, is the relic weapon alright for casual players up to zenith?

[Amused]

Isn't that in direct contrast to SE's aim of the Relic being a weapon that casual gamers can work on if they don't/won't/can't raid for gear?

What is preventing you from working on it casually the way that it is right now? It was always intended to be long-term content.

[Divine_Intervention]

Amused, after seeing your complaining about atma in one thread for ages, then saying it's absolutely fine after you got them all, i'm not sure how seriously i can take your posts on here. :/

However, working on it casually, i'm sure someone did the math of this somewhere, would take an INSANELY long time. I'm sure even casual players want to get stuff done.

[Amused]

Amused, after seeing your complaining about atma in one thread for ages, then saying it's absolutely fine after you got them all, i'm not sure how seriously i can take your posts on here. :/

That was half a year ago, and I already responded to the person who decided it was a good idea to sift through my posting history just to dig it up. Thanks for choosing to drag it into yet another thread so you can use it as another ad hominem argument yet again.

I do not have them all. I specifically said that I only have Novus for Paladin, and that I've only just recently finished a set of 12 for Ninja, as well as that I've begun collecting yet another set because I want to build up the relic weapons for every job. I am in no way close to being done.

However, working on it casually, i'm sure someone did the math of this somewhere, would take an INSANELY long time. I'm sure even casual players want to get stuff done.

[citation needed]

I worked on my second set, the one for Ninja, casually. I only did FATEs when I was in queue for Syrcus Tower, Frontlines, and Wolve's Den.

[Haibel]

However, working on it casually, i'm sure someone did the math of this somewhere, would take an INSANELY long time. I'm sure even casual players want to get stuff done.

Casual gamer here. I had mine done in about 20 hours over the course of 3 or 4 weeks. I'm about two books away from being done on animus. I have started collecting more atma because I just completed all jobs to 50. I'm a legacy player who was also a 1.0 alpha player, Paid for every single month that this game has been pay to play. My Achievements unlike a lot of peoples are public. you can verify that I'm pretty damn casual about this game. there is nothing wrong with atma.