Fix ATMA drop [LIKE] Thread

[OranKells]

all this time arguing I got 2 more atma. I only need 5 more and I'll have done it 9 times. I'm keeping two sets on my retainer, one for when ninja comes out and another for the expansion. Its really not that bad. there is some RNG to it i'll give you that. I've gotten 5 back to back in under a half hour. I've also gone 2 days trying to get one. A dedicated person should be able to get an atma weapon in a little over a week if they put their mind to it.

It's one of the few tasks that isn't handed to you on a silver platter and while its hard its not as game breaking as you seem to think. I suspect a lot of people get caught up in the Gambler's fallacy

Thing is most "normal" players will only do this once or twice. There are plenty of other ways to progress now.

[Souljacker]

You've had 2475 views and only 122 likes, so just under 5% of those that have viewed the topic have agreed with you. You think this is enough to get SE's attention?

You realize that people can view the topic without logging in, right? The likes reflect the amount of actively logged in forum users, though I agree a poll would have been better. We don't have a huge perspective in terms of those who genuinely think it's good content. However, I do not believe that polls are allowed.

Still, as someone else pointed out, Atma is currently the ONLY leg of the quest (aside from the newest part) that hasn't been nerfed.

Why? It's clearly the one that irritates the playerbase the most.

[Aegis]

If I wanted to be really indepth on how many people don't like the system as it is now, i could go linking all the million other threads sayin' that exactly, but hey, I don't ahve time for that.

But then what is the point of this thread? Without a 'like' for those who don't want a change how are SE to interpret the results? With that extra option you could at least say 'there are more who liked my post than liked the counter post'. Are SE to assume that everyone who read this thread and didn't reply actually disagrees with you

It's clearly the one that irritates the playerbase the most.

Really, most people I play with in-game are far more annoyed by the huge gil sink that's two steps further in. Do you have some kind of poll that indicates this is the most annoying part or is the word 'Clearly' supposed to mean we should take it at face value? Not arguing for the sake of argument, but your statement doesn't jive with the experience of myself or anyone I know in-game.

[Tsuwu]

Since this thread was created, I've gotten 6 Atma.
Since this Sunday, I've gotten 11 Atma.
No more than 26 hours invested, max.

That is with completing all my IRL duties as a full time grad student, a day trader, an executive assistant, booking my fan fest accommodations, and having two dates.

It's really not broken.

Just takes something that's going extinct: patient perseverance.

[Nestama]

Wait, what options did I have for relic and relic zenith again?

I see your point, but the fact that the Trials and dungeon involved for the Relic have been nerfed (you can get your Relic in a day. In 2.0, some players were stuck on Titan HM for weeks/months) and Myth being removed next patch (so 450 Soldiery will probably be required for Zenith), your argument kinda doesn't work...

Tsuwu, RNG is RNG. Around a month ago, I spent maybe 3 hours a day farming Atma for my BRD. It took me around 3 days (around 7-9 hours) to get one Atma in Upper La Noscea, 5 days for Eastern Thanalan (around 13-15 hours) and I gave up after two days in Western Thanalan. I could have spent more hours farming for Atma, but I chose not to. Because it gets really boring doing level 3-25 FATE's.

The Atma number is 42. Every click counts as five minutes. How many "minutes" does it take for you to get 42 12 times?

[Aegis]

I see your point, but the fact that the Trials and dungeon involved for the Relic have been nerfed (you can get your Relic in a day. In 2.0, some players were stuck on Titan HM for weeks/months) and Myth being removed next patch (so 450 Soldiery will probably be required for Zenith), your argument kinda doesn't work...

The trials haven't been nerfed. Ifrit was actually made harder when they altered the way debuff resistances worked.

[Nestama]

I consider Echo as a nerf. Every time you wipe, you get stronger and closer to victory. Every time you don't get an Atma in a FATE, well, maybe you'll get it next time or not. Who knows?

[Aegis]

I consider Echo as a nerf. Every time you wipe, you get stronger and closer to victory. Every time you don't get an Atma in a FATE, well, maybe you'll get it next time or not. Who knows?

Fair enough. Hadn't thought of echo.

Still didn't have a choice in what you did though and no-one ever complained about that.

[MirielleLavandre]

I think atma hasn't been nerfed, while most other relic content has, because SE wants there to remain at least a small semblance of effort and dedication (yes, effort to do fates and dedication to stick to the admittedly annoying RNG) needed to obtain what is an iconic FF weapon. The 'RNG grind' for these are nothing to what people went through for just AF3 +2 in FFXI [god, how people would've raged if the system was anything like that at all -- and yes, I know this isn't FFXI].

One thing I think people need to realize about this thread and the tons of other ATMA threads that suddenly popped up...One of the driving reasons for people wanting ATMA eased now, of all times, is because of the Nexus weapon being BiS for a few weeks before 2.4. For that very small time, some people who ignored their relic due to the grind and went after high allagan now need (or think they need) to do the relic quests in order to have BiS. Isn't it a lil convenient that the 'nerf ATMA drops' threads just happen to pop up all over now?

I'm 7/12 on my second set of atma -- and that is just doing FATEs casually when I don't have time to do anything else like dungeons or books. It just takes more than standing around in one zone or area for 30 mins thinking somehow you should be able to get an atma in that timeframe and with such minimal effort.

[Nestama]

I think that was because the trials and dungeons were sort of made for the Relic quest (mostly Chimera and Hydra) and they were fun. Everything after that, though... nothing 'new' (aside from the Mysterious Map mobs, that was a step in the right direction) was made for the Zodiac quest line. You could argue the Nexus is the Relic quest all over again, but with more freedom(?) :/