Stereotypes exist for a reason. Show your dead dragoons!

[Lord_Zlatan]

you sound so angry

To be fair, it isn't really a nano% of damage. A proper Dragoon Rotation involves timing to make sure that attacks are buffed at all times and the enemy is bleeding the whole time. Thats really all the rotation guides point out... all other skills are used on Cool Down anyway.

On topic: I will defend DRG all the time as not being "THE" derp class of the game (some TANKS die more, and I see a lot of bad BRDs but this is just opinion and anecdote, not fact or really a statement that should be taken seriously). Most of the time, I die a lot if I don't know the fight at all. First time I did titan and ifrit x on DRG, you forget that Jump basically kills you if you use it at the wrong time. Spineshatter and Dragonfire less so because u get to control your character a full second before you would with jump, so those aren't ask risky. IMO that is really the main issue there.

[BillyBones]

Learn to read before you comment, mr. elitist.

Why so butthurt? Learn to read before you comment, scrub. Let me highlight it for you: A good player can pop all dmg skills AND stay alive at the same time.

Not everyone plays the same way or cares about the 0.000000000001% damage that min/max nerds care about. Deal with it.

And that's the difference between a good player and a bad one. For all I care you can just spam the trust combo, it's your decision how to play your character. Nobody can stop you from being bad.

Good day.

Good day to you too.

[Krindor]

Learn to read before you comment, mr. elitist.

If you're dead, you're not doing ANY DAMAGE AT ALL.

Not everyone plays the same way or cares about the 0.000000000001% damage that min/max nerds care about. Deal with it.

Good day.

/ignore

Would you be surprised if I tell you that it's possible to do both?
If you are a DPS you're supposed to deal damage, if you can't survive while doing damage without having to limit yourself you might wanna rethink your class choice, BRD can more safely deal damage.
Also that 1% extra damage can mean a lot, I've had bosses die at 1% and that 1% extra damage could've made a difference, but as the guy was telling you that you weren't using stuff, that would probably mean keeping up HT, CT, Phle as those are easy to notice if not used and that is not a 10^-9% damage increase but quite a lot.

[Ignnis]

When I was tanking/healing I created a thing called "stupid dps syndrome". The following symptoms all contribute to this syndrome:

Standing in aoes.
Pulling before tank (bards!!!).
Purposefully ignoring tank marks.
Running in circles when you pull from the tank (BARDS!!!).
Running out of range or los of healers.
Charging off before protect is even cast.
Pulling bosses.
Using lb3 when healer needs to resurrect the entire party.
Melee dps not reading tool tips /not positioning themselves.
Auto attacking.
Stunning ifrit HM randomly.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Would you be surprised if I tell you that it's possible to do both?
If you are a DPS you're supposed to deal damage, if you can't survive while doing damage without having to limit yourself you might wanna rethink your class choice, BRD can more safely deal damage.
Also that 1% extra damage can mean a lot, I've had bosses die at 1% and that 1% extra damage could've made a difference, but as the guy was telling you that you weren't using stuff, that would probably mean keeping up HT, CT, Phle as those are easy to notice if not used and that is not a 10^-9% damage increase but quite a lot.

exactly. playing the class properly doesn't mean you are an elitist nerd. Just means you care about being good i guess.

[BristolRuss]

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Yep. Animation lock on regular jump is the biggest killer. I remember when learning Titan Ex the number 1 reason I would die is when I would jump and he would instantly use landslide or weight. I had no way to get out of the way.

[Aussir]

To be fair, it isn't really a nano% of damage. A proper Dragoon Rotation involves timing to make sure that attacks are buffed at all times and the enemy is bleeding the whole time. Thats really all the rotation guides point out... all other skills are used on Cool Down anyway.

Angry? Nope... frontal and direct, I don't hold punches. Sorry, PC and "flowering" what I say is not my thing, I didn't grow up with "must talk nice because of the poor wilt flowers" being hammered into my head.

I do my rotations and keep them up with no problem but if I have to choose between making a rotation or getting killed by <insert mechanic> because I would be rooted to the spot by the rotation, I say f*** the rotation. I can go back to the rotation within seconds and keep the DPS instead of lying dead on the floor doing NOTHING.

On topic: I will defend DRG all the time as not being "THE" derp class of the game (some TANKS die more, and I see a lot of bad BRDs but this is just opinion and anecdote, not fact or really a statement that should be taken seriously). Most of the time, I die a lot if I don't know the fight at all. First time I did titan and ifrit x on DRG, you forget that Jump basically kills you if you use it at the wrong time. Spineshatter and Dragonfire less so because u get to control your character a full second before you would with jump, so those aren't ask risky. IMO that is really the main issue there.

People that "jump" to their deaths (pardon the pun) need to learn to play dragoons better, that's all. This is why I say that it's better to break a rotation to stay alive than stay on rotation and get killed. If you get killed, you're lying there and do absolutely nothing to help the fight. No DPS is worse than less DPS.


To the others: I'm not telling you how to play, don't come tell me how to play. My view is: less DPS is better than no DPS for a few seconds. If you prefer to lie on the floor doing nothing, be my guest. I don't ride that boat, you do.

Now, who will explain to me how you do more DPS when you're dead?

A lot of you seem to forget that not everyone out there plays to "be good, be the best" or whatever... they play to have fun and not everyone plays the same way or has the same skills. Telling people to play other class that they most likely do NOT LIKE, is moronic.

If you don't want to put up with the people that play within their skill, who have different views or play to have fun, and just want perfect uber runs, please stick to your FC's and statics.

[Kiokin]

My burst rotation, off the top of my head is as follows:

Spineshatter Dive > Heavy Thrust > Impulse Drive > Leg Sweep > Disembowel > Blood for Blood > Chaos Thrust > Internal Release > Phlebotomise > Power Surge > True Thrust > Jump > Vorpal Thrust > Life Surge > Full Thrust > Dragonfire Dive

May have got the order wrong, as it's off my head. But that is 16 non repeating moves. Then you can weave in defensive cooldowns and pots. Plus I don't run fracture, which I could include in there somewhere.

Why are you counting cooldowns? You don't use those rotationally.

[BristolRuss]

That's one of those occasions when you go "screw the rotation" and get out of the way. you can get back on rotation within seconds instead of lying dead for a longer time and do NO DPS.

How do you recommend getting out of the way when you have already jumped? That's why I said when learning the fight. Now I know when landslides and weights are coming and don't jump until it's safe.

[BristolRuss]

Why are you counting cooldowns? You don't use those rotationally.

You do if they are available. And that rotation about is how I start most fights, so.