Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Ellatrix]

Of course you wouldn't tell people that it would increase sales, just like you wouldn't want people to know about the price increase you'd be getting too.

You somehow didn't read the rest of the paragraph. Also, mercing runs is only like 30% of my income, so it is something I do more to spend time with my friends and joking around on voip than it is about the gil.

[Cynfael]

Why not have a "clear required" checkbox? As others have stated quite effectively, it wouldn't signal any huge shift in player behavior. As soon as the bonus myth notification comes up, you know someone was lying and probably hoping to be carried if they joined a PF obviously labeled as "farm only/must have cleared/etc.". And yes, some players actually may know the fight perfectly and not have a clear thanks to grouping with players who can't perform the mechanics, but that's where you communicate your desire to join the group and let the leader decide to open it or not.

When it comes to end-game content, elitism isn't the only reason for not wanting to teach people from square one; sometimes it's just a matter of how much time you have to play. If you want a learning or practice party where you dedicate hours to getting everyone up to speed on mechanics, that's fine, but not everyone has that kind of time every day. I'll help with learning parties when I can, but sometimes I just need to get my own things done (especially right before reset) :P

[Alistaire]

It doesn't matter if you've gotten to 1%, you don't have the kill.

I'll devil's advocate this a bit, if/when I'm in a position like that for a fight I'd ask to join a farm party. Titan EX specifically I spent about 20 hours game time being consistently last man standing without any errors in mechanics and probably top or near top in dps, before I got my first win.

Even in that situation though I'm still for OP's suggestion; that's what the "send tell" option in PF is for. And if someone would want to deny me joining their party with that kind of a track record I'd be annoyed at it but whatever; I know some people have been burned by people saying things like "oh I've gotten it to 1%" "I'm always last man standing" "I'd get the win if I had 7 other good people" etc and it's just not the truth.

And some fights the hardest parts are far from the end, but again without proof I've gotten past those hard parts it's a matter of someone believing me when I can't prove what I say. And you should never demand strangers to believe you're as good as you say you are, let alone try to trick them into believing it.

[SkylerStorm]

if/when I'm in a position like that for a fight I'd ask to join a farm party.

Didn't read any further than that, because you're already not the person targeted by this idea. People asking to join because they know the fight and people trying to sneak in while keeping quiet when the questions being as to who hasn't beaten it is very different. In most cases when receiving a tell like that, the leader would more likely than not let you join. As you've effectively already put the pressure on yourself, you've been upfront and said you haven't beaten it yet, but you're capable, so it would become very apparent very soon as to whether that was true or not.

Having the previous clear option ticked would stop you from sneaking in, but wouldn't stop you from asking, which would put it down to the party leader's discretion, exactly as it is now.

Furthermore I won't be commenting anymore as NyurkoW is now flagging my posts that he disagrees with as abuse, and proving his baseless opinions wrong isn't worth getting banned over.

No one here agrees with you, and that is for a reason, because you are wrong. Unfortunately SE will never implement the system suggested here, as too many people like you would boohoo about it on the forums. But the 100 myth will remain, and as long as it does, your free carries are a thing of the past.

Enjoy your game

[Shougun]

As others have stated quite effectively, it wouldn't signal any huge shift in player behavior.

I'm not sure I could say a huge shift (either I use anecdotal evidence or try to push one psychological study over another) but in that shaky world, the world I see, I would say at least "a" shift would happen, when people realize they can have smoother parties by not letting noobs in by a simple and easy button they will likely leave it up and on more often - even the people who normally wouldn't care to do so (too much work or they would normally feel guilty for not helping other people out).

I don't think it is a good thing when people start to rationalize "entry level job, we should add "requires 4 years experience"". I get that sometimes you don't want or have the time to mess around and I think that making that choice should be the harder one, rather than letting new people join in. I would not call a GM on someone doing it but I -want- the exclusionary mindset to be the harder one, I don't think it should be an easier one for a healthy group.

Humans do what is easy, making it easy to do something easier - I'm sure that has to mean something in the likely hood of becoming a popular button. I don't like the idea of the consequence it will have to at least some degree, plus having completed the fight once doesn't always mean you're very good. I'd like to see better ways to improve player reliability than this, it's probably impossible for those on the opposite side not to imagine me coming across as the fat kid screaming no but.. I really hope this button doesn't exist (and I'm big boned >.<! Height is my key to fool you ).

[Yoninxi]

umm.

You never explained why its perfectly ok for someone who has no business to join a farm party and scum it up, while the other 7 have it on farm status. Isn't that unfair to the other 7 people? The only reason you ever give is "they need to learn too",but when someone mentions they should joint a learning party/clear party, you go off on tangents about handicap ramps and disabled people, or make baseless statements about mercs and people who buy their wins. You don't want to say what it really is.

Nothing will change with the checkbox. The only difference is that the people that boot myth bonus players won't have to do it anymore cause it won't be an issue anymore. It will lead to more players joining and creating clear parties. Just today I helped a group get T5 win. While I was gathering for that there were *gasp* Ramuh, T5,6,8, leviathan, and even a Titan learning PT in the PF. But they don't exist so just join the farm party to try and leech a win

[Brine_Gildchaff]

That'd be a good analogy if you included that it was absolutely free and took no effort whatsoever to just create your own work team and specify 0 experience necessary; will train. Party finder; where you can be your own boss.

I addressed this, actually. The problem is that when newbies actually try this they often have a great deal of difficulty drawing people in, since there just aren't that many altruistic elite players out there.

[Alistaire]

No one here agrees with you, and that is for a reason, because you are wrong. Unfortunately SE will never implement the system suggested here, as too many people like you would boohoo about it on the forums. But the 100 myth will remain, and as long as it does, your free carries are a thing of the past.

Enjoy your game

Like me? Have you read my other posts? I'm all for this idea. I wish I'd come up with it. Like I said, all I was doing was playing devil's advocate on one small point where someone said/implied that if you only got a fight to 1% you weren't as experienced as someone with a win.

[TomTom1968]

OP here, amazing what people have posted in my thread, really amazing. While I thought this was just a little request, it is treated like I am planning the end of the Christianity lol.

So some of you guys claim a right to lie and think it is fine like this?

Others see it as a given that other (strangers) should always have enough time to carry whoever joins their group, disregarding anything what’s asked for in the description?

Again others see it as the end for all Newbies because of the mean Elitists that deny them to enter their groups?

When you know a fight in and out and just want it done quickly, do you, unless asked for help from friends or FC members, want to derp around for hours for something you know you get done in less than 10 minutes? For the sake of having helped a Stranger who tricked himself into a farm group without ever having finished the fight?

When I look for a FARM group, yes, I do not want Newbies in it. Really, I don’t. Does that make me a bad person or elitist already? Does it mean I never help? Nope and nope.

There are times for training, times for getting closer to the kill, time to kill and at some stage, a time to farm. I wouldn’t ask for a farm party if I wouldn’t have gone through all these stages before as well and succeeded them. And for those interested in Coil and Ex fights, you know that it doesn’t happen in a single day.

Others like to skip the one or other phase of this progress at the costs of others without frankly asking for help. Instead, they just enter farm parties knowing they are not able to farm which is not OK in my book.

But a lot of people obviously see the right to lie and to enter whatever group is up and running on PF higher than the wish to be able to form a party with people in the same boat you are in. Have no arguments for that because this is quite irrational thinking.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I have not cleared most of what's available. I would be locked out from the PF should the checkbox idea be implemented. And you know what, I should be. I haven't learned most of the available fights yet. Quit crying crocodile tears boohooing for those poor newbies who can't deceive others anymore. Those SJW's are probably the ones doing it in the first place and are finally getting called on their BS.