Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Dashuto]

"Guys! Really! We just want to use it to assure clean and tidy farm groups! It has absolutely no use in keeping new players stuck as new forever! Gosh you're really jumping the gun in here!"

(Dohohoho.... hohohohohoo...)

[Ashkendor]

"Guys! Really! We just want to use it to assure clean and tidy farm groups! It has absolutely no use in keeping new players stuck as new forever! Gosh you're really jumping the gun in here!"

(Dohohoho.... hohohohohoo...)

Except that's totally not the case. Everyone has to learn, yes, but farm parties are not the place to do it. I have no problem teaching people a fight as long as I know that's what I'm getting into when I join the party. If I join a party that's billed as a farm party, however, I expect a certain level of skill/knowledge from the players in it. Sometimes I feel up to teaching, and at that point I'll join a learning party. Other times I just want to kick back and repeatedly smack something upside the head with players that are on the same page that I am.

[LalaRu]

Even if I am against anything that helps division between players, I will agree that the party leader is King on Party Finder group, and s/he have all rights to decide how the party is composed.

Anyway, as long as s/he already can check players on lodestone, will not agree on implementing things meant to encourage player division: if leader wants be sure about the kill, s/he needs make the extra effort on it.

About players that enters PF without the description requirements, it always happens and it is not only related to this case. You can kick then and yes you wasted time, but happens. We still far from a perfect world. And this will happen again even if that checkbox have been implemented, because as you already have noticed, there are players that got carried. And they are really a lot, because that "selling primal kills" business seems so profitable as long as so much players are doing it. Blame them both (sellers and buyers).

[Shadowedge]

This whole thread is pretty douchey. By implementing this, you're also asking to lockout legitimately good players who happen to be doing this particular content for the first time. Or maybe even for the 50th time, but now on a second character.

[TomTom1968]

And another one...ROFL. Yeah the mean elitists actually want to farm something instead of wiping with 1st timers. It is not that they went through the learning phases as well and joined/formed 1st timer, training and aim to kill parties before they reached the point of one shotting a certain fight. To Hell with them that they do not want to practice forever and include all players in all Servers till they get their Win! Do you even get the difference between learning a fight and farming a content? Looks like some don't know there is a difference. I know Win and Wipe both start with a W but still, there is a significant difference.....

[Melinabean0]

Well. There is a lot of nonsense in this thread, I'd say I can't believe it, but I can.

So. Mmkay. As someone who hasn't even unlocked everything this game has to offer thus far, i.e. coils/extreme modes, I see no problem with allowing a clearance condition. I would not want to be the one dragging others down or being carried through when they CLEARLY stated that they are going to farm said content. And as others have said, just make your own party for a learning group or party up with some friends. That's coming from someone who has a hard time branching out. I just don't see why there are 22 pages arguing this. Sure, it may cause some people to abuse it. But, really, Elitists will be elitists no matter what the conditions are and people who like to help will. It's just humans being humans. Stop being silly.

Edit: Read this bit after said post above but...

This whole thread is pretty douchey. By implementing this, you're also asking to lockout legitimately good players who happen to be doing this particular content for the first time. Or maybe even for the 50th time, but now on a second character.

I imagine even a legitimately good character would still have a few problems on the first run through, but I may be wrong there. I could see a potential problem with the second character bit, but still. Just don't join that particular group that has the requirement. If it happens to be all the groups, make your own group. I'm sure other people who are in the same boat would join.

[Fynlar]

Not going to happen, surely. SE is not about to go and help players further with segregating newer players from content; that's just shooting themselves in the foot.

[Meshico]

@OP - I agree with your OP, and most of your other posts, I would say all but I really can't remember every detail.

Party Finder - The party leader has the right to request anything he/she wants. If their is a button to exclude people that are trying to lie and sneak in, I'm all for that.

The entire OP is about PARTY FINDER

@OP I would encourage you to use Bold, Underline and Bigger Font Size where applicable.

I rarely read 22 pages worth of replies, but this one I read.

Please people keep things on topic, and for those of you who try to convince ONE PERSON, realize some people just can't/wont/don't want to understand. That is fine, don't take it personal your still right!

Remember if you agree "Like" his post and tell your friends about it so they can like it.

-Tari

p.s. If you don't like it, that's OK to just don't accidentally like the OP thread

[Gucci_Charms]

Those against this feature keep claiming it is to segregate or promote community divide.

The real issue I am seeing, however, is that new players won't be able to get carried or put the effort to learn the specific instance on their own. That's really what it is coming down to. It is not even about elitism or being a "jerk." It's about not being able to join 7 other players who put in the effort to down the specific content and then leech of their skills to get your ninja win.

There's nothing stopping new players from creating their own parties in Party Finder to gather like-minded players currently in the same boat for the specific instance. What's stopping new players is them not being proactive. They are just being lazy, being entitled, not willing to learn from scratch, and expecting everyone to drop what they're doing to help them.

Why should veteran players who put in the work and time be obligated to cancel their farm or previous win only clear party and wipe for hours just to help you learn? If veteran players want to help you, they will. Otherwise, veteran players don't owe new players anything.

Stop equating elitism with your inability to ninja win or leech of farm/previous win clear parties.

SE already did new or troubled players a favor to accommodate their troubles with the introduction of the Echo Buff. If you keep wiping with this buff, then that issue falls with you or the other oddballs in your party. When that happens, you simply need to get rid of the dead weight to progress further. If the issues fall on you, however, you personally have to step your game up. For those who cannot clear content with Echo buff, that's pathetic lmao.

[PArcher]

Just because someone has a clear does not mean they know the fight.

Just because someone has yet to clear does not mean they will cause the group to fail

People get carried all the time through content, either by friends/fc, randoms or sellers. Many farm groups I've joined have been ruined by people who have been carried.
A clear condition will not help this at all.
At the same time, I have been in Farm parties where a "new" person has snuck in, and we've gone on to farm the instance for several kills.

Ultimately, this help run-sellers (and RMT) the most.