Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Divinemight]

Picture is more true than most thing and all I say in reply is:


Underline problem is many people suffer rational ignorance? If so then really time wasted. I would have give up actually but you have post many explanation so I try to help explain too since I understand where you come from in your viewpoint.

But if really so many do not bother to learn then I agree with you since not everyone can be logical.
Very wise saying, thank you for remind.

I do not think even they will ask Producer and will just make more thread for complain, make me wonder what happen in 2.4.

Selective hearing is amazing. Read OP and last 2 pages is also fantastic. This is why most of threads on this Fourm end up with ranting.

[Nekomataempusin]

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My comments hardly compare to his in length. My comments are also in a readable format that can be understood by the majority of the people in these forums. Also, why are you assuming I haven't done SCH on FL or Wolve's Den? Btw I'm not attacking people, just you ^w^ I can forgive many things, but arrogance isn't one.

You have more of a selective hearing problem than I do, because your opinion is all that matters apparently. As I pointed out, it was various reasons that brought about the removal of Cleric Stance, as many others did, and I argue that in loo of taking time to sort the real problem out, SE just flat out gimped certain aspects of the game.

I've stated my argument, you just refuse to acknowledge it. Your condescending tone is rude and simply childish. And I will post in that question thread you linked. I will place my argument there and i'm sure it will be more readily acknowledged than your one-man crusade to be a total ass and try to say people's opinions don't matter.

[Divinemight]

I've stated my argument, you just refuse to acknowledge it.

I am so glad that this Fourm allows you to recall post history:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=25094864

Let's see your point of entry into this discussion.

Both of you need to stop talking. I'm a WHM and I see the long scale ramification of this.
Copestetic; Your sarcasm is not needed nor wanted. As many people have pointed out, SCH does not heal as strongly as WHM because they are a hybrid class of DPS and Heals. Also, what happens when all those PvP skill that take off debuffs instantly are used up and recharging? Any healer would be screwed because interrupts are going to assail them.
Lucke Arrayo; You are a tank. If you do not play a healer class you do not understand the shit we put up with. While we are on the subject, how about you tanks ONLY tank.
If a healer is backed into a corner, be it WHM or SCH, and they keep getting interrupted and all their PvP skills/Fixes for debuffs are used up, do you HONESTLY think they will survive? No. Do not insult the intelligence and valid concerns of those who this affects most of all.

Word to word. You told two posters to shut up because of what? You are a healer? What is your second post? Alright, told another poster to shut up because he is not a healer (but ignored the fact this one is sitting on WHM).

The rest of posts are just bunch of non senses. Even have to drag Kisada to this because you don't have an argument of your own. All you have been saying is no one should talk because they are not healer, but when healer players are saying cleric stance nerf is fine. Your selective hearing ignored them.

Let me spit out for you since you don't get it. I am referring your issue as because you have only tried healers on the frontline, you are unable to understand other jobs' perspective.

Stop dodging the bullet. Are you going to do open letter or not?

[Nekomataempusin]

Stop dodging the bullet. Are you going to do open letter or not?

Already did. In response to you're little criticism, those two were being stupid and rude over opinions that didn't mesh with their own. I called them out on it.

By the by, I've talked to people who play other classes in Frontlines. I ask questions in game when they come to mind, and I learn how to work with other classes to get the desired outcome. I've played BRD in PvP and understand how much of a target they can be since range is a pain in the ass to deal with (SMN is ranged as well). And yet though I know things, there are still some aspects I would be ignorant to. Mayhaps your experience as a BRD varies from the ones I encounter, both on my team and against. They have held up on their own very well when in placement and also in 1vs1 scenarios.

[Divinemight]

Already did. In response to you're little criticism, those two were being stupid and rude over opinions that didn't mesh with their own. I called them out on it.

By the by, I've talked to people who play other classes in Frontlines. I ask questions in game when they come to mind, and I learn how to work with other classes to get the desired outcome. I've played BRD in PvP and understand how much of a target they can be since range is a pain in the ass to deal with (SMN is ranged as well). And yet though I know things, there are still some aspects I would be ignorant to. Mayhaps your experience as a BRD varies from the ones I encounter, both on my team and against. They have held up on their own very well when in placement and also in 1vs1 scenarios.

Good. This is more productive, but I suggest you to edit wording a bit. It is still sound a little ranting.

Everyone has different online gaming experience. While many are criticizing Flames performance, hey are aggressive in my game. You can not rely on the words of others. You need to actually play it to understand. It is a bad idea to sit on one job, this is armoury system, try other jobs to find out why they think SCH and WHM is too much of their role.

[WizArt]

My response in red for easy reference.

My comments hardly compare to his in length. My comments are also in a readable format that can be understood by the majority of the people in these forums. Also, why are you assuming I haven't done SCH on FL or Wolve's Den? Btw I'm not attacking people, just you ^w^ I can forgive many things, but arrogance isn't one.

And by that para, can I then assume you are not arrogant? Just because most choose to use American English, doesn't mean, that its the perfect English version. Pray tell, are you able to comprehend and infer what I have written so far?

You have more of a selective hearing problem than I do, because your opinion is all that matters apparently. As I pointed out, it was various reasons that brought about the removal of Cleric Stance, as many others did, and I argue that in loo of taking time to sort the real problem out, SE just flat out gimped certain aspects of the game.

Just because 1000 people say so, doesn't make that a fact. It could even be propaganda, crafted to seem that way for personal agenda, in this case, to take the easy way out and 'riot' against a new standard. Let me give you an easier way out - quit.After all, in the past weeks, we have seen real people quit their citizenship - it is sadly a new lifestyle that many prefer to adopt, instead of working with what you have. There are studies on gamers, because this same group, allows behaviourists insight into the mind of individuals who jump ship. Are they wrong? Look at the current news today - the answer is right there! An argument is only good, with facts, not whining, but facts. When you learn that skill, then your posts will become constructive and not destructive. The statistical table that was linked, is actually impressive. That took time and interest to generate. That is factual therefore constructive. But instead of appreciating a summary and debating on the numbers, the discussion has taken on the tone of personal attacks. BUT I understand your culture, you can do it, but others can't. Now, what is that English word/phrase to define that parameter of behaviour? I wonder.

I've stated my argument, you just refuse to acknowledge it. Your condescending tone is rude and simply childish. And I will post in that question thread you linked. I will place my argument there and i'm sure it will be more readily acknowledged than your one-man crusade to be a total ass and try to say people's opinions don't matter.

Excuse me, you are not childish right? You label forum posters you do not know in person, plus you have no idea of their culture and that is mature? To me, it is not unexpected of a person like you to have done that. However,I have jumped in, because I do not appreciate pot calling the kettle black.