Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[ariaandkia]

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I don't understand why "vets" are so intent on forcing newbs to skip content just because they are a little impatient.

I wait for people to watch cutscenes all the time and I still got to 50 faster than some of the people I know who were all about skipping cutscenes. Heck, I got multiple level 50s and finished storyline in the time some of them got one level 50. And that was with me waiting for people to watch cutscenes.

[Mholito]

I don't understand why newbs are so intent on forcing the vets that help them to watch a half hour of cutscenes.

I don't understand why vets are so intent on denying the newbs, that are the reason they are being rewarded, enjoyment of the story.

[Kaethra]

I'm thinking of starting back on the storyline quests and hang up the DoH and DoL stuff for a bit so I can get higher level areas for leves but I'm confused on the dungeons now. Theres the DF which I know but theres a PF? and roulette? I haven't done any dungeons past level 25 and I'm gonna be the newbie so which way should I que up for dungeons that will give me the best chance to be able to watch cut scenes without making the elites all angry and want to kick me? Which one gives them a bonus for me being a firstie please?

DF is the Duty Finder. You queue up and it will throw you into the dungeon of your choice with a random group of people from your server and other servers. You'll have a Tank, Healer, and two DPS. If its a 8 man dungeon you'll have 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS.

PF is the Party Finder. You can use this to form a group from members of your server only. Its just to help form the group. It can be used for dungeons or Fates or just about anything a group can do together. They will use the DF to get into a dungeon, but since its a preformed group, there is no queue as long as its a full group for the dungeon (4 or 8 players).

Roulette is a daily bonus to doing dungeons in the DF. You get a random dungeon and get extra exp, gil, and later (50) mythology tomestones. Great way to get a stack of exp for a leveling character. At first only the low level duty roulette is available. At 50 you can unlock the others.

To bring you on subject. The Main Scenario Duty Roulette is there to entice more people to do the two story dungeons Castrum Meridium, and Praetorium (the dungeons we are talking about). These dungeons do not reward gear from bosses. It is just a story thing with cutscenes and interesting bosses. But they have to be completed to finish the main story quest (which opens up the rest of the game, the end game if you will). So in order for the queues to be shorter for newbies. They gave a main scenario duty roulette to allow vets to run these dungeons again for a reward.

The issue at hand is they don't typically like watching cutscenes and will skip them to continuing clearing trash mobs and in some cases, bosses. All the while the newbies are still watching the cutscenes. Some people are jerks and will vote kick the newbies out of the dungeon for watching them. Some are jerks because they don't like some veterans clearing ahead.

For people like me, I compromise and let the vets clear ahead, WHILE the newbies watch the cutscenes, when I run these dungeons. The dungeons are pretty easy enough that they don't require all 8 people to be present for all of the encounters. And only a few boss encounters will lock a newbie out if they were in a cutscene while the boss was initiated. But the two important boss fights put the newbie in the arena when they are done watching. Which is Gaius and Ultima Weapon. I also give advice that helps the newbies in such boss encounters. So far its worked well.

And it works well enough to make both sides happy ingame (which is what matters, as forum opinion is vastly different then what I see ingame) as I tend to get 3-6 commendations for explaining my point and letting everyone have their cake, so to speak.

[Prototype909]

I don't care if people want to watch cutscenes, but at the same time I'm not going to wait at the start of every boss until they're out. Fair compromise as far as I'm concerned.

[Maza]

DF is the Duty Finder. You queue up and it will throw you into the dungeon of your choice with a random group of people from your server and other servers. You'll have a Tank, Healer, and two DPS. If its a 8 man dungeon you'll have 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS.

Thank you : ) Im at 32 with WHM so I know finding runs won't be a problem but I quit doing the storyline at toto rak (because of jerks) so that's where I'll be starting the battle class up again. Guess I don't have to worry about most of that stuff till I get to 50 but thanks again for clearing it up for me <3

[TeaTimeBear]

DF is the Duty Finder. You queue up and it will throw you into the dungeon...

"It's not the destination it's the journey"

No offense but who cares about how many comms you get? We're not all cut from the same cloth, I enjoy cutscenes as well as earning them. I do not like being carried/coddled by you or anyone for the matter. That said, I keep my feelings out of DF, if I want the type of run -I- like I find means of getting it that does not involve this "compromise" nonsense you keep spouting.

Also you said this has nothing to do with the very people who made said content as it is??? What??? Users might be partially to blame but SE is just as much at fault for fostering. And for the record your a tank a tank who explains and lets them watch at that.. You are bound to get comms based on those three facts solely. The same applies to anyone else doing baby content.

[NyarukoW]

I don't care if people want to watch cutscenes, but at the same time I'm not going to wait at the start of every boss until they're out. ...

That is not a fair compromise. Locking the 1st-timer out, you are also destroying their continuity in their story. The trash mobs don't matter, but the boss fights do. And when you intitate boss fights, they get all sorts of out of context text in the middle of their cutscenes. This is just an indirect way of harassing them to skip the cutscenes.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Basically - yes it's unfair to the kicked player that they were excluded from the group and that ALWAYS makes someone feel badly, but once upon a time we respected that other people have choices as well. 100 tomes is a nice bonus and I'm glad it's there because it makes me want to run the dungeon for the 99999999th time. However, there's nothing in that notification that says the 100 tome bonus is to encourage us to allow people to slow the dungeon down with full length cutscenes.

There's such a thing as reading between the lines, y'know...

And I want to clarify something extra here. There are techhnically -two- MS Roulette bonuses.
0) Base reward of 20 tomestones for clearing the dungeon. This is awarded to all players every time.
1) Daily reward of 110 tomestones for clearing the dungeon via Duty Roulette. This is awarded to the players who used DR to join.
2) First-timer bonus of 100 tomestones for clearing the dungeon with members who have never cleared the duty before. This is applied to all players, but only if a first-timer is in the party (and online/in party at the time of clear).
=230 total tomestones

The second bonus is what I'm talking about. This is an -additional- bonus to entice players to be kind towards and not shun new players, and be willing to shepherd them through content. If I get a first-timer bonus on, say, Leviathan HM, I think it is not an unreasonable expectation that to earn that bonus (75) mythology, that I explain to the new players what is needed of them (monks don't stun Wavetooth, bards hit tail, mages hit head, someone must operate Elemental Converter to stop Tidal Wave dealing wipe damage). The same expectation applies to Main Story dungeons, and to think that it's even remotely acceptable to demand that you both get a 100 myth bonus -and- be permitted to ruin the experience of someone finishing the story for the first time, all so you can get your supposedly "earned" reward a few minutes quicker, is frankly absurd and selfish to a baffling degree.

[WellGramarye]

There's such a thing as reading between the lines, y'know...

And I want to clarify something extra here. There are techhnically -two- MS Roulette bonuses.
0) Base reward of 20 tomestones for clearing the dungeon. This is awarded to all players every time.
1) Daily reward of 110 tomestones for clearing the dungeon via Duty Roulette. This is awarded to the players who used DR to join.
2) First-timer bonus of 100 tomestones for clearing the dungeon with members who have never cleared the duty before. This is applied to all players, but only if a first-timer is in the party (and online/in party at the time of clear).
=230 total tomestones

The second bonus is what I'm talking about. This is an -additional- bonus to entice players to be kind towards and not shun new players, and be willing to shepherd them through content.

I really want to agree with you but I can't. While I make a personal effort to wait around and help newer players with this dungeon this bonus is given for "swift completion of objectives." It literally says this on every duty when a new player is joined. The matter of fact is that SE does not give two Shivas about how the dungeon is completed as long as the new players get their progression. They are rewarding the players who are carrying the others through the dungeon and encounters so they can move on. Like so many have said before this is a *player base* issue.

SE has given the players many options for the player base to use:

1.) You have the option to skip the CS if you wanna participate and keep up with everyone else. No one is obligated to wait on you while you watch the 45mins of CS in the 1 and a half hour dungeon.
2.) You have the option to rewatch the CS later in the inn if you happened to skip them. You also have the option to run the dungeon multiple times to do the fights.
3.) If you have a problem with above then SE has generously provided you with a Party Finder so that you can make your own 8 man group that will stand around watching every CS with you, and killing every single trash mob singularly in the dungeon. The dungeon pacing is set by the majority of the group.

Yesterday I ran my daily, and had three new people. One skipped all the CS and kept up with the group on trash pulls. The others; a DRG and BRD, watched every single CS. The group patiently waited at each boss fight for them. The DRG got out of CS and joined the rest of us, and it would take the BRD a near extra 5 minutes to finish their cut scenes, every cut scene. By the time we go to Nero, the group gave up and just finished the instance with or without them because the amount of time being wasted was absurd.

[NyarukoW]

...Yesterday I ran my daily, and had three new people. One skipped all the CS and kept up with the group on trash pulls. The others; a DRG and BRD, watched every single CS. The group patiently waited at each boss fight for them. The DRG got out of CS and joined the rest of us, and it would take the BRD a near extra 5 minutes to finish their cut scenes, every cut scene. By the time we go to Nero, the group gave up and just finished the instance with or without them because the amount of time being wasted was absurd.

Well you waited for the DRG. If every instance went this way there would be no threads like this. The problem is the speed runners vote kick people for watching cutscenes. Sometime they don't even bother to communicate the threat, that is on top of the fact that is wrong to be making threats like this in first place. Otherwise the verbally abuse the person watching the cutscenes, starting with "watch it in the inn", and you actually don't get to see everything in the inn. Like you don't get to the multiple choice questions with Gaius.

BTW "swift completion" is NOT "speed run". They just don't want trolls there making completion deliberately difficult for no good reason, like demanding people to pay gil for completion of dungeons.