Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Granyala]

The only reason you vets are even in Duty Finder is because [OF MYTH]

Fixed that for you.

[Ignnis]

They don't need to, and shouldn't ever take a side in an issue like this. This is an issue -we- the players caused. And since we caused it, we can solve it.

I solve it by compromising. Others muddy the waters by saying I'm wrong for doing that. I say screw them, I'm the one getting commendations from both Newbies and Veteran Speedrunners. So I must be doing something right.

SE didn't make a bad design, god/God/creator/supreme being/nature did when it made humans what they are. Course we also have the ability to either devolve into base emotions and argue and fight, or reason and compromise. I choose to do the latter. Not wait for a dev to try and futilely code out bad part of human nature in a computer system.

Thats literally what I just said. I also just said its a player created problem....

Whatever we do to combat this someone else will always be against it.

[Drynrai]

I don't see what all the rush is about. I don't mind people watching cut scenes at all. I take it in stride. Besides, kindness and patience builds a far better community. Look at the Blizzard community, it's awful...the worst I have ever seen. The FF community is so much nicer and helpful. I rarely run into anyone rude or that has shown impatience in people enjoying their own immersion of the game. Have a beer and chill out. What are you rushing for? So you can finish and then stand around waiting for other queues? Stand around in the city? Gotta take someone to the hospital? To each their own really, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. Everyone was new at some point.

Additionally, I do agree this is a player created problem. I don't believe SE should be doing something about this because people can't get along. Sometimes, we have to figure stuff out for ourselves and get off the "I pay for this and I know what's best/do what I say" high horse.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

I did send a message for my own person case, the answer was exactly what I said above....decision of teh group they can kick you because the majority rules and they do not mix into players squabbles, I dont agree with this at all but it is a fact though you can be kicked for anyreasons even for asking *why?*

I know you would like to hear something else but this reality is the sadest one ...Kick should be removed altogether this is a tool for mature people and there arent many of those around

Mei

Mei

But . . . but . . . but . . .Square Enix said that abuse of his tool was a violation of ToS and Offenders would be actioned. This makes me very sad. Can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Post a GM Response? As long as you didn't delete it it should show up in the game. I'd love to see a Screenshot of this or a picture if you are a PS3 player.

This is no fair to new player community. I'm an i110 Tank, and I typically only run these with friends, and I encourage firs timers to watch the videos. I didn't, and it was a horrible experience.

One of my friends will be hitting 50 probably within the next week or so, and her Husband and I are going to form a premade just so they can all watch the cutscenes in order etc.

If hey wanted all the CutScenes I'm now in the opinion they should have made it a series of 'story mode guildhests' and broke it down into each segment.

I would be apalled to see this legitimized. I've been kicked from a couple ST Runs @ Last Boss and never heard back when I reported Griefing, and I just hoped hat the players were actioned. (Even if it was a GM Saying "Hey, Don't do that.")

the General attitude of these Forums as I read seems to be Pro-watching CutScenes, with some players just saying it's a problem SE created, not that it's really a problem with the new players. Especially since most of the party can likely run ahead and carry the new member(s). If Square Enix can't get behind that attitude, then they shouldn't have implemented /votekick.

[TessaJalloh]

Always always watch your cutscenes folks. because the experience just isn't the same watching them from the book.

At the start of a dungeon, inform them you intend to watch the scenes. If they kick you at the beginning, you won't be wasting your time with a group of assholes and can just queue again. The ones who try to pressure others into skipping scenes so they can get five or so minutes less on their clear time are the minority. Most of us vets WANT you to enjoy your first run. Because we remember wanting to aswell.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I'm not there , as well as most people, when they run those dungeons to help new players. I'm there for the rewards.

Yes. The rewards. Rewards are given to people for DOING something. They are given to you for helping the new players get through the dungeon with little queue time. You are, in effect, demanding that you not only be given these rewards, but not actually have to earn them. So actually yes, I feel -quite- satisfied with blaming players like you who think it's okay to screw over the newbie that's the entire reason you're GETTING that 100 bonus myth.

[Mholito]

Yes. The rewards. Rewards are given to people for DOING something. They are given to you for helping the new players get through the dungeon with little queue time. You are, in effect, demanding that you not only be given these rewards, but not actually have to earn them. So actually yes, I feel -quite- satisfied with blaming players like you who think it's okay to screw over the newbie that's the entire reason you're GETTING that 100 bonus myth.

They are also the reason that the Main Scenario roulette exists in the first place.
You know what seems like a fair trade to me?
- The new players get to enjoy the story, and the other players are rewarded with Allagan Tomestones of Mythology.
You know what doesn't seem like a fair trade to me?
- The new players don't get to enjoy the story, and the other players are rewarded with Allagan Tomestones of Mythology in a shorter amount of time.

[ariaandkia]

Snip

It says that they'd do something if abused, yet being kicked for watching a cutscene or even for trying to help the raid succeed is apparently ok.

(Apparently, you can get kicked for doing too much damage as a dps because "players can choose who they want to play with")

[Maza]

I'm thinking of starting back on the storyline quests and hang up the DoH and DoL stuff for a bit so I can get higher level areas for leves but I'm confused on the dungeons now. Theres the DF which I know but theres a PF? and roulette? I haven't done any dungeons past level 25 and I'm gonna be the newbie so which way should I que up for dungeons that will give me the best chance to be able to watch cut scenes without making the elites all angry and want to kick me? Which one gives them a bonus for me being a firstie please?

[Souljacker]

This is no fair to new player community.

It will be short lived. SE would have to be completely blind to not see how this has polarized the playerbase. If we see more dungeons with this design of cutscenes all over them I will be very shocked. And probably back in some other game at that point.

Basically - yes it's unfair to the kicked player that they were excluded from the group and that ALWAYS makes someone feel badly, but once upon a time we respected that other people have choices as well. 100 tomes is a nice bonus and I'm glad it's there because it makes me want to run the dungeon for the 99999999th time. However, there's nothing in that notification that saysthe 100 tome bonus is to encourage us to allow people to slow the dungeon down with full length cutscenes. They will get credit for completion whether they are with the team or not, so many groups just advance and don't even pay attention to you. If you are demanding that 7 other people wait for you to watch cutscenes, expect to be removed on the grounds of "differing playstyles". If you just tell the group to go on, you'd like to watch the scenes but don't expect people to wait around, you will likely get a better response. You can see your cutscenes, the rest can get through the dungeon, and on your next time through you don't have to watch the scenes anymore and can experience the fights.

I don't understand why newbs are so intent on forcing the vets that help them to watch a half hour of cutscenes.