Why shouldn't someone be allowed to watch the cutscenes on first playthrough?

[Souljacker]

This is no fair to new player community.

It will be short lived. SE would have to be completely blind to not see how this has polarized the playerbase. If we see more dungeons with this design of cutscenes all over them I will be very shocked. And probably back in some other game at that point.

Basically - yes it's unfair to the kicked player that they were excluded from the group and that ALWAYS makes someone feel badly, but once upon a time we respected that other people have choices as well. 100 tomes is a nice bonus and I'm glad it's there because it makes me want to run the dungeon for the 99999999th time. However, there's nothing in that notification that saysthe 100 tome bonus is to encourage us to allow people to slow the dungeon down with full length cutscenes. They will get credit for completion whether they are with the team or not, so many groups just advance and don't even pay attention to you. If you are demanding that 7 other people wait for you to watch cutscenes, expect to be removed on the grounds of "differing playstyles". If you just tell the group to go on, you'd like to watch the scenes but don't expect people to wait around, you will likely get a better response. You can see your cutscenes, the rest can get through the dungeon, and on your next time through you don't have to watch the scenes anymore and can experience the fights.

I don't understand why newbs are so intent on forcing the vets that help them to watch a half hour of cutscenes.

[ariaandkia]

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I don't understand why "vets" are so intent on forcing newbs to skip content just because they are a little impatient.

I wait for people to watch cutscenes all the time and I still got to 50 faster than some of the people I know who were all about skipping cutscenes. Heck, I got multiple level 50s and finished storyline in the time some of them got one level 50. And that was with me waiting for people to watch cutscenes.

[Mholito]

I don't understand why newbs are so intent on forcing the vets that help them to watch a half hour of cutscenes.

I don't understand why vets are so intent on denying the newbs, that are the reason they are being rewarded, enjoyment of the story.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Basically - yes it's unfair to the kicked player that they were excluded from the group and that ALWAYS makes someone feel badly, but once upon a time we respected that other people have choices as well. 100 tomes is a nice bonus and I'm glad it's there because it makes me want to run the dungeon for the 99999999th time. However, there's nothing in that notification that says the 100 tome bonus is to encourage us to allow people to slow the dungeon down with full length cutscenes.

There's such a thing as reading between the lines, y'know...

And I want to clarify something extra here. There are techhnically -two- MS Roulette bonuses.
0) Base reward of 20 tomestones for clearing the dungeon. This is awarded to all players every time.
1) Daily reward of 110 tomestones for clearing the dungeon via Duty Roulette. This is awarded to the players who used DR to join.
2) First-timer bonus of 100 tomestones for clearing the dungeon with members who have never cleared the duty before. This is applied to all players, but only if a first-timer is in the party (and online/in party at the time of clear).
=230 total tomestones

The second bonus is what I'm talking about. This is an -additional- bonus to entice players to be kind towards and not shun new players, and be willing to shepherd them through content. If I get a first-timer bonus on, say, Leviathan HM, I think it is not an unreasonable expectation that to earn that bonus (75) mythology, that I explain to the new players what is needed of them (monks don't stun Wavetooth, bards hit tail, mages hit head, someone must operate Elemental Converter to stop Tidal Wave dealing wipe damage). The same expectation applies to Main Story dungeons, and to think that it's even remotely acceptable to demand that you both get a 100 myth bonus -and- be permitted to ruin the experience of someone finishing the story for the first time, all so you can get your supposedly "earned" reward a few minutes quicker, is frankly absurd and selfish to a baffling degree.

[WellGramarye]

There's such a thing as reading between the lines, y'know...

And I want to clarify something extra here. There are techhnically -two- MS Roulette bonuses.
0) Base reward of 20 tomestones for clearing the dungeon. This is awarded to all players every time.
1) Daily reward of 110 tomestones for clearing the dungeon via Duty Roulette. This is awarded to the players who used DR to join.
2) First-timer bonus of 100 tomestones for clearing the dungeon with members who have never cleared the duty before. This is applied to all players, but only if a first-timer is in the party (and online/in party at the time of clear).
=230 total tomestones

The second bonus is what I'm talking about. This is an -additional- bonus to entice players to be kind towards and not shun new players, and be willing to shepherd them through content.

I really want to agree with you but I can't. While I make a personal effort to wait around and help newer players with this dungeon this bonus is given for "swift completion of objectives." It literally says this on every duty when a new player is joined. The matter of fact is that SE does not give two Shivas about how the dungeon is completed as long as the new players get their progression. They are rewarding the players who are carrying the others through the dungeon and encounters so they can move on. Like so many have said before this is a *player base* issue.

SE has given the players many options for the player base to use:

1.) You have the option to skip the CS if you wanna participate and keep up with everyone else. No one is obligated to wait on you while you watch the 45mins of CS in the 1 and a half hour dungeon.
2.) You have the option to rewatch the CS later in the inn if you happened to skip them. You also have the option to run the dungeon multiple times to do the fights.
3.) If you have a problem with above then SE has generously provided you with a Party Finder so that you can make your own 8 man group that will stand around watching every CS with you, and killing every single trash mob singularly in the dungeon. The dungeon pacing is set by the majority of the group.

Yesterday I ran my daily, and had three new people. One skipped all the CS and kept up with the group on trash pulls. The others; a DRG and BRD, watched every single CS. The group patiently waited at each boss fight for them. The DRG got out of CS and joined the rest of us, and it would take the BRD a near extra 5 minutes to finish their cut scenes, every cut scene. By the time we go to Nero, the group gave up and just finished the instance with or without them because the amount of time being wasted was absurd.

[NyarukoW]

...Yesterday I ran my daily, and had three new people. One skipped all the CS and kept up with the group on trash pulls. The others; a DRG and BRD, watched every single CS. The group patiently waited at each boss fight for them. The DRG got out of CS and joined the rest of us, and it would take the BRD a near extra 5 minutes to finish their cut scenes, every cut scene. By the time we go to Nero, the group gave up and just finished the instance with or without them because the amount of time being wasted was absurd.

Well you waited for the DRG. If every instance went this way there would be no threads like this. The problem is the speed runners vote kick people for watching cutscenes. Sometime they don't even bother to communicate the threat, that is on top of the fact that is wrong to be making threats like this in first place. Otherwise the verbally abuse the person watching the cutscenes, starting with "watch it in the inn", and you actually don't get to see everything in the inn. Like you don't get to the multiple choice questions with Gaius.

BTW "swift completion" is NOT "speed run". They just don't want trolls there making completion deliberately difficult for no good reason, like demanding people to pay gil for completion of dungeons.

[WellGramarye]

No there would be still people complaining about it because they would have been the BRD in this instance. You can never completely please everyone, and there will always be someone to complain about something else no matter how small and petty it is.

[NyarukoW]

No there would be still people complaining about it because they would have been the BRD in this instance. You can never completely please everyone, and there will always be someone to complain about something else no matter how small and petty it is.

What would the BRD in your case complain about? Fact of the matter is, the bard have not come here to complain, which although is not solid evidence, but obviously whatever transpired didn't register with them the necessity, anger, or frustration like what the OP experienced, because you did wait. A little bit goes a long way.

[WellGramarye]

What would the BRD in your case complain about? Fact of the matter is, the bard have not come here to complain, which although is not solid evidence, but obviously whatever transpired didn't register with them the necessity, anger, or frustration like what the OP experienced, because you did wait. A little bit goes a long way.

My point of the little anecdote is that in the end we didn't wait on them, because after awhile waiting 10+ mins on each fight became absurd as they were taking an obscene amount of time to finish the cut scenes when 90% of the group was waiting including the other two new players.

[ariaandkia]

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Swift completion refers to actually beating it instead of quitting like people used to do. Before, if someone saw that a player was new, they'd kick the player(s) or leave. They still do, but they now have incentive not to.