New Gun Class/job

[TrystWildkey]

you know about assumptions it makes an ass out of you and me.

no i won't argue because you have nothing to back up your case

you use extremes which doesn't help anyone because if we based all our decisions on extremes we'd have nothing

you say personal housing should be for everyone which once again doesn't make it bad

and you say people who are against it are not interested when sure that could be right for some but others could just be fine with it because we are given alternatives.

I mentioned multiple reasons why housing, as currently implemented, was unreasonable.
I did not use extremes, I merely applied the current housing availability situation to other game features as a comparison to highlight its unreasonableness.
Housing should at least be available to everyone, like everything else in this game.
I didn't say people against it aren't interested. I said that it appears that your only reasoning for why housing, as currently implemented is reasonable, is because you're not interested in it.

You've not given a single reason why it's reasonable to release a feature in a way that it will always be of severely limited availability.

Enjoy your life!

[Musashidon]

. You've not given a single reason why it's reasonable to release a feature in a way that it will always be of severely limited availability.

actually i have but i mean who's really reading?

[Zantitrach]

I was referring more to the abilities listed for Barich Fendsor. He has several defensive abilities you can see in the link with High HP and evasion. In my earlier post I quoted Yoshi from an interview saying he liked the Machinist from tactics. When I looked it up I found that there is a foundation for the class being a tank. I am not saying Mustardio ; ) was a tank in tactics or the gun class will be. Just sharing some thoughts on what I found related to what Yoshi said.

Other than him being a "Boss" I don't recall him having particularly high HP or evasion. He was still just like Mustadio with long range damage and crippling. Actually after looking at Barich's page, it doesn't list any of his stats. The states you gave are for Mustadio NOT Barich. ALL of the main character's have decent evasion rates. Heck Orlandeau has 20% as well as Cloud for instance.
Mustadio's only "Defensive" ability is to keep his gear from being broken... so....

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I just don't get how a healer would be the gun class :/

"HP is low, better shoot them in the face!"

Actually they did this one time in Megaman NT Warrior. They used Searchman's rifle to fire Roll's healing ability (shut up it makes perfect sense) into an injured Megaman to get him back in the fight.

[EdwinLi]

Considering SE is working on the Gun Class to be something people do not expect it to be, we will have to wait a bit longer until 1st expansion since they may be working on special mechanics and other unique things for the Gun class so it can stand out more than being a simple Archer with a Gun.

[Einheri]

Other than him being a "Boss" I don't recall him having particularly high HP or evasion. He was still just like Mustadio with long range damage and crippling. Actually after looking at Barich's page, it doesn't list any of his stats. The states you gave are for Mustadio NOT Barich. ALL of the main character's have decent evasion rates. Heck Orlandeau has 20% as well as Cloud for instance.
Mustadio's only "Defensive" ability is to keep his gear from being broken... so....

Again I am only speculating on what a machinist could be in FF14 based on this quote:
E3 Interview-
MMORPG: What’s your favorite Final Fantasy class that is not in Final Fantasy XIV.

Yoshi - P: I really like Cecil’s story from Final Fantasy IV, so the Dark Knight. From Final Fantasy Tactics, the Machinist.

The link from that previous post is for the machinist job. It has both Mastadio and Barich listed as playing the class and continues to list several of the skills available. 1 to Mustadio and 3 to Barich. I felt it was safe to conclude the HP being listed as high applied to both as well. I will concede that 18% evade is not high for the tactics game. I wish feather foot was 18%.

Mustadio's page shows he isn't as defense oriented as Barich but he does have access to SoulBind.

Also machinists Cid from FF4 and Edgar from FF6 are high Def and phys stat focused. However they both focus more on melee weapons, Cid could use Bows but the two-hand Hammer was his tool of choice. Both could use shields.

With the gun models already in game being one handed could you see them using a shield in the off hand? Duel wield for DPS? What do you think if they go with the oft suggested Chemist to fill the healer role, Potion gun?

Thanks for your feed back.

[Gilraen]

Musketeer...

What?...

/10chars

[Zantitrach]

The link from that previous post is for the machinist job. It has both Mastadio and Barich listed as playing the class and continues to list several of the skills available. 1 to Mustadio and 3 to Barich. I felt it was safe to conclude the HP being listed as high applied to both as well. I will concede that 18% evade is not high for the tactics. I wish feather foot was 18%.

Barich isn't playable though, he's an enemy. Mustadio is the only playable one and that's where the stats are known from.

Mustadio's page shows he isn't as defense oriented as Barich but he does have SoulBind.

Meh, SoulBind is from FFT: WoL, for PSP, not the real FFT. I honestly didn't care for it as much because so much was changed. Won't comment on that deviation.

With the gun models already in game being one handed could you see them using a shield in the off hand? Duel wield for DPS? What do you think if they go with the oft suggested Chemist to fill the healer role, Potion gun?

Thanks for your feed back.

The logo we have in game shows two crossed guns. I would assume the gun class to be DPS based. Maybe have it support though, like BRD. Rather than buffing team mates though, have it cripple enemies. THAT is in line with Machinist job from FFT. Leg Aim, Arm Aim, etc. It personally makes the most sense and since its in line with how ARC/BRD is treated. DPS class turns in to DPS/Buff. DPS class turns in to DPS/Debuff. I like it. The second best option is for a healing class/Debuff class. If we go to the wiki and check out guns There is little the gun isn't used for other than damage. When you do run into it being used NOT for DPS Its either for Debuffs/Buffs/Heals.
FFT: Guns can be equipped by Chemists, Orators, Onion Knights, the special jobs Machinist and Sky Pirate, and any character that has equipped the ability "Equip Guns". Chemists - were used to heal, Orators (Mediator - Original is so much better) - to buff/debuff, Onion Knights - are... special.... Machinist - was discussed, and Balthier the Sky Pirate - should be a given, but he's DPS.
FFX-2: The Gunner dressphere uses a hand-gun called the Tiny Bee. Another dressphere, Gun Mage, uses a gun with a large open ring in place of a barrel that allows its user to learn and use the abilities of some fiends. The Alchemist Dressphere also uses a burst firing rifle. Gunner - DPS, Gun Mage - DPS, Alchemist - Heal.

[JakzChurchill]

My SCH and its book and my WHM and its cane would have a word with you about never using their "weapons"......

My exact quote was "but then you'll have a gun... and never use it to complete your role". The complete your role portion is key in this subject. With both Scholar and White mage you draw magic from your weapon which you then channel into a spell. When healing your are using the magical properties or the weapons to complete your task. A gun would be different, as it's sole purpose is too deal damage, you wouldn't be using the gun itself to complete the healing part of your role. therefore it is not being used to it's full effectiveness where it could be with some other classes.

Saying that the gun shields could be an interesting choice for a tank weapon, but I don't what class would be created for them. I am totally behind Samurai as a tank, but I would hope any great sword class (dark knight please) is a dps job, else it would end up playing too close to warrior as a tank, something an agile samurai can get away from.

If the first paragraph came off a bit strong I apologise, it is meant purely to emphasise my point in greater detail and not intended as argumentative.

[Gilraen]

The problem with the line 'never use to complete your role' is a sticky one given there's several Job whose weapons have nothing to do with their roles. Scholar and White Mage aren't great examples given you rarely run up to smack things. A better example is Bard. A Bard's role is defined as support given that the majority of a Bard's abilities... have absolutely nothing to do with attacking. Bards get one attack, Rain of Death. That's it. At level 30 they get Mage's Ballad, 35 Foe Requiem, 40 Army's Paeon, 45 is when they get their one attack and at 50 they get Battle Voice which is just a buff to the first three abilities. "What are you talking about, Bards get a whole slew of attacks between 30 and 50!" No, archer gets a whole slew of attacks between 30 and 50. All of a Job's abilities are quested, with one gained at every quest. So really a Bard could perform it's role without ever firing an arrow. I don't see Musketeer being much different in this regard, assuming they go with a support role.