Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Gor]

I do not want disagree with you but Gor not actually very convincing some time because his choice of word make him seen as very special player?

/jazz hands

I say this with refer to many of his post where he say other player not good enough but at certain time have go out of hand in his comment and make him look like more negative and unwilling to adapt.

well its true. most other players are not good. sorry if that bothers you, but i'm not going to sugarcoat it. and the reason most players in this game are not good is because i believe it is like i said before, SE panders players and does not let them "mature" or allow them to get better as players. SE coddles them by putting out easy pve content and that goes for tanks, dps and healers alike. so they come into pvp expecting the same outcome of just trying to zerg down players like they zerg down the weak bosses they kill, they get #rekt, then come in forums and cry about how op X class is. so most the players are lazy. they don't cross classes, alot of them only have one class. i've had people ask me where do they get their pvp skills from? i've been on FL teams where healers go splat in 2 seconds, even other SCHs. i always see BLMs in arena who don't use Nightwing. Paladins who I have stood beside while i'm getting pummeled, i ask for Testudo or Cover ... most PLDs, not a Testudo or Cover was given that day and i can go on and on with all the other countless nonsense i see most players in pvp doing. however the good players, stand out and i know they will be on point every game. i know i will get a Testudo or Cover. i know i (or the other healers) will get peels. i know that healer won't die, etc and its the same about 20 people on my data center every single time who know their class and it shows. but for those who don't know their class, SE offers no incentive, no perk or anything to entice players to get better at their class, they just spoonfeed the bad by altering the content thus contributing more to their laziness.

and you mean ... unwilling to bend over? there's a difference.

This further proven when he boycott game and say he have not play for his reasons but on the forum still? My understanding is if you do not want to play game and very upset with developer decision in way Gor has voice many of his opinion, he should not be in forum commenting still? His comment have been more negative in passing day than initial day.

incorrect. i am not boycotting the game, the game is boycotting me. i don't logon because i got tired of logging in to play only having to wait 2-3 hours to even actually play. i only do pvp, i have no interest in pve, and since WD is dead, i only queue for FL which often times ends up in being over an hour to even as high as 5 hours i have waited for a queue pop. waiting that long just to play a game is insanity so i no longer login to play. and with SCH now being so boring and streamlined now, and the utter fails who have swamped Maelstrom causing us to lose time and time again, game after game, there is no incentive for me to play anyway. occasionally i have logged on only because my friend asked me to play with him. i am still on an active sub however but with ArcheAge, Diablo III and upcoming Warlords in WoW coming up, i have devoted most of my time prepping to those now, ya know, since i can actually login and ya know, play the sub that i paid for unlike this game where i just pay to wait.

His behavior easily constitute as illusory superiority and his opinion might become voided as result of his wording sometime.

this isn't me being superior, it is the state of the playerbase in pvp on my data center Primal. period and it pisses me off.

[Atreus]

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Not really saying I agree with everything any person is saying. I'm just highlighting someone trying to attack another person's credibility and failing hard.

[Divinemight]

Not really saying I agree with everything any person is saying. I'm just highlighting someone trying to attack another person's credibility and failing hard.

Emmmm, if the is about me.... Isn't it he is attacking others by profiling them as non healer first and I counter him with his own profile?

[Klive]

What pops into my head reading this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

[Atreus]

Except Gor is a healer, and doesn't only have two classes leveled like you said.

[Divinemight]

Except Gor is a healer, and doesn't only have two classes leveled like you said.

Pretty sure I had few heated conversation with him, but if you are holding a solid argument, he won't selective hearing at least.

Tho, I do feel his dedication towards scholar often clouded his judgement.

[Zyphione]

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Please do not mistake my intention, I was not refer that you actually egocentric as person. I only state what you sometime can come off as in general view because of choice of word.
Please excuse me if I was rude.

I know you do not sugarcoat word because you sometime very straightforward. Sometime really not good player will criticize healer and make many noise which is their fault, we have both see this in past threads include Aetherflow thread.

I tell you before in other thread, yes?
We both agree many player lazy and do not play game properly. I see your example you give with nobody help you because I take your word before.
People is lazy and make game unplayable for you.

When I say you come off as maybe better than other or you special player, is from people who do not read past reply or first time see your reply in current day where you very frustrated. Some people do not read all reply, am I right to say this?
Some time when see you make singular post about many bad player, will say maybe you very arrogant because see many mention of how everyone else very bad?

If never read your past replies, will not know your problem with such player or how such problem start in first place.

That is what I refer to.
Never say you actually is this way, just reference Divine say before where many never look at big picture after long time or have selective hearing, only what they want to see or what they see at first. People could do to you because of your choice of word when sometime you really make sense? This happen before with other poster if I not wrong.

But is not how I personally feel about you.

What pops into my head reading this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

I do not think this is true? If this is link because I mention illusory superiority then you are refer to Gor? Gor do not suffer from such thing. This have 1 important trait in people who suffer it effects? I do not see such trait in anyone here.

[Lovescake]

should of just imo nerfed it down, maybe get rid of the 10% bonus, apart from that youre relying on INT values which are normally not on your gear anyway so youd do not so much damage but enough to fend yourself.

[tehomegaking]

Probably completely pointless to discuss this here, but I'm really wondering if giving scholar a slow on Misama 1 would be overpowered. As it stands, I can defend myself, but it's honestly not even worth trying. I can kill those who try to kill me, but it takes forever, and it requires far too many cooldowns. Players know this, and proceed to try chase me down endlessly while I try get back to my party. At this stage, with our DPS potential cut down by more than 50%, the slow effect wouldn't be anywhere near as overpowering. It would just be a means to slow attackers, so we can get back to our party.

In group vs group mechanics, your galvanize shield fades so fast, that if you sacrifice a shield in order to slow a lone attacker, you deserve the reward, especially considering we do have a multi target CC that is of more use in large encounters. I feel it wouldn't be overpowering to get back our single target slow (2.5 second cast), but I could be wrong.

Misama's disease effect does not spread through bane, so no AOE slows to worry about. Misama 2 can not be changed, would obviously be extremely overpowered with heavy.
The heavy effect should only be applied to scholars Misama. Summoner with a heavy would be too much. This seems like it would be too difficult for them to implement, so it will most likely never happen.

[Lukha]

All I can see is that since this restriction was added, healers are much rarer in Frontlines...I still queue as healer, but most times I'm stuck as the only one in the party, which more often than not results in no heals for anyone, since maybe one in five of my attempts to cast ANYTHING will actually go off due to even a stiff breeze being capable of interrupting me.

Losing cleric stance would be fair if I could actually heal worth a damn, but unless they either bring it back or make it harder to interrupt my spells, Frontlines will lose one more healer as soon as I'm high enough to use those glamour items. Surecast (1 spell every thirtyseconds) and Equianmity (Fully levels, 15 seconds every 2:20 minutes) definitely don't cut it, especially since bother of those STILL allow for interrupts under certain circumstances.