Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Lycinder]

I know that maybe it could be uneffective, but could we make some suggestion for seriously rebalancing PvP and then make a Request post for SE and try to gather as much Like and post as we can asking ingame pvp interested people to vote it if he/she agree?

I would atleast have a reply form DeV Team.

Its our best bet really, this whole situation proved the dev team listens to a vocal part of the player base, might as well do the same thing and get them to look at it again you know fight fire with fire.

My fear is that as Healer if I'm solo the only thing that I could do is run as fast as I can, and not trying to maintain anymore the OP.

That sounds almost exactly like the wolves den was, and trust me it isn't fun in anyway whatsoever, I did actually make a point that it seems we were stepping back into the wolves den stratagem again.

[Utsu]

I forgot the Burning Crusade/S5 Mageladin. Every healers have to assist DPS anyway. Our DPS was probably too high as healer, I don't know honestly, but removing Cleric Stance is just a shame.

[Rydia13]

LOL I totally suggested this exact solution in the "healers are op in PvP" thread back when I was upset that there was a premade of 8 healers just owning everyone. Haha.

Now that I'm playing whm again though, I'm not too happy about it me and my big mouth.

To those saying SCH is useless and defenseless now... I don't ever remember backing off of a SCH just cuz I got DoTed lol DoTs don't add anything to your defense other than helping to kill the offensive enemies.. but if someone is on you, I can't imagine a couple of DoTs will send them running hahahahaha. If you're referring to getting caught alone and unable to kill opponent, well, knock em back and run like hell and have Eos spam Embrace. Our DPS is just reduced, not completely gone.

Also, you're not useless cuz your job is to heal, not dps. So there's that.

[kisada]

It is really painful to see how many people are so shortsighted about this change. There are so many things that this affects and so many things wrong with all of this i don't even know where to start.

Let's go with this though. It's about

1. wholesale, punishing changes incited by
2. players without requisite experience, skills or know how affecting
3. classes that are already in short supply in a game event that already has
4. rapidly fading interest and fundamental flaws with queue times.

Re-read the thread, guys. All those people who just said they weren't healing anymore are some of the guys who were the lone healer in your party or the ones that changed to one when it was an all DPS setup. And these are only the people who post. Guess what will happen to all the other healers who were already on the fence with PVP? Any marginal interest they had will have dissipated.

It's not even necessarily the fact that healers lost an ability. It's the fact that healers are continually being driven into the ground based on the reckless complaints of players who haven't even played those jobs, let alone fully understand them. And it's the fact that the devs continue to listen to these kinds of players over the ones who actually DO have the understanding and experience of how these things work. Think of the message that is sent when players who have many years of pvp experience in other successful games get ignored by the devs and then are at the mercy of the demands of these reckless requests. Eventually the message is so strong that players will get fed up and leave instead of putting up with bad design and balance changes.

The healers that you enjoy playing with, the ones that hold up your party? They aren't gonna be there anymore and as a result you are going to have LESS healers, which will lead to LESS functional parties, LESS wins, and eventually LESS pvp for everyone on the whole.

[Rydia13]

Idk about you, but I was always too busy healing on WHM to use Cleric Stance. The only times I would ever use Cleric Stance is when I get caught alone, there's only a few enemies at our flag, and if we had 3+ healers. So no, this isn't going to fundamentally change anything. People that love to heal will not be bothered by the fact that they're no longer OP.

[Copestetic]

Idk about you, but I was always too busy healing on WHM to use Cleric Stance. The only times I would ever use Cleric Stance is when I get caught alone, there's only a few enemies at our flag, and if we had 3+ healers. So no, this isn't going to fundamentally change anything. People that love to heal will not be bothered by the fact that they're no longer OP.

Careful with that kind of language here. This thread is only for those that disagree with the change.

[FaizeD]

Yeah, Im out too. SCH isn't even remotely fun anymore. WHM at least still retains Fluid Aura, Repose and heavy to fend off rogue DPS when scrambling back to the group. SCH has squat. Oh, I can push them back 10 yalms once every 2 minutes. I can ask them politely to stand still while I Blizz II - because there's no way to remove bind and it's not like it has diminishing returns or anything. Before you could at least harass them with enough DoT damage that they might get scared after a while. Thankfully, all the DPS and tanks in PvP respond so quickly when their healer is getting pummeled that I won't need any form of actual defense! No, I'll just heal. I'll heal myself. The rest of you can die.

Makes sense. Fact is you can't have the best of all worlds, and white mages did. Massive heals? Check. Tankability? Check. Do great DPS? Check. You can't have any balance in pvp with a class like that. Why play anything else? Removal of cleric stance just defines the role of healers as just that - healers. You keep the group and yourself alive, thats your role. Not "destroy everything in your path when it feels convenient to do so.."

And you base this on all your experience healing in PvP. Holy spam was broken. The solution should have been to address Holy/Bane in PvP, not gut healing classes. While we're at it, let's take away all the pretty stuns and harrassment tools MNK has. After all they are a DPS class and should only DPS. Dispel? No. Silence? No. Second Wind? Pfffft, you're not a healer.

Careful with that kind of language here. This thread is only for those that disagree with the change.

Broseph, it's not as dramatic if you say you're leaving but then you stay.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Idk about you, but I was always too busy healing on WHM to use Cleric Stance. The only times I would ever use Cleric Stance is when I get caught alone, there's only a few enemies at our flag, and if we had 3+ healers. So no, this isn't going to fundamentally change anything. People that love to heal will not be bothered by the fact that they're no longer OP.

Agreed, and I only used CS in exactly the first two situations you described. Maybe once in a while on the Heliodrome to help add dps to the drones.

[Divinemight]

So much anger..... you guys make it sound that it is a doomsday scenario when this is a common dispute among all mmo:

WoW

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...2649512?page=1

Rift

http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...r-powered.html

SWOTR

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=661711

Dark Souls II

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/69333...ls-ii/69009580

All aboves are actual healing done nerf. The threat of there will be no healer is getting old. It bump here and there in above threads from other mmos but one fact will never change:

There will always be a healer.

What is the next argument? The devs listen to the carebears is the first thing in my mind. Is that really a fact? All the mmos sharing same issue. The healers designed for PvE content is too strong for PvP content because player unit can not output same amount of pressure as scripted AI boss. This is a fact and all mmo did some countermeasures.

Not to mention. You are still can play healer as dps role as long as you swap with int accessories instead of taking advantage of cleric stance + vit accessories. You are not suppose to be all around, every job need a weakness. Stop being one of the doomsday cult.

[Blessedbythesun]

Removing Cleric Stance was still unnecessary though? If this has to do with an 8 man WHM party spaming Holy, why wasn't stun removed for pvp purposes and take a damage% nerf. Or. Giving pvp skill focalization a slight buff. Something other than killing off an entire half of what made healers diverse in the first place.