Goodbye cleric stance.. you will be sorely missed

[Shake0615]

This isn't a fault with the class, but the player. The healer role by nature is a team supporting/sustaining role. If their strength is in sustaining a group, then their weakness would come into light when they do not have a group to support.

Then, as many others have said, where are the tank nerfs? Cause I can see PLDs and MRD putting out too much damage for their "role." If their role is to peel and defend their team then to be consistent we should disallow any and all abilities that buff their damage output. Healers were already weak in the damage dealing department before removing CS. Now, as I said, they're sitting ducks. Helpless. But the real issue I have with the change is that SE decides to listen to a completely ignorant yet loud minority of the forums rather than dealing with any of true problems facing Frontlines. It was a lazy decision with poor reasoning behind it. I think Kisada summed it up best in the following post.

It's about...
1. wholesale, punishing changes incited by
2. players without requisite experience, skills or know how affecting
3. classes that are already in short supply in a game event that already has
4. rapidly fading interest and fundamental flaws with queue times.

It's not even necessarily the fact that healers lost an ability. It's the fact that healers are continually being driven into the ground based on the reckless complaints of players who haven't even played those jobs, let alone fully understand them. And it's the fact that the devs continue to listen to these kinds of players over the ones who actually DO have the understanding and experience of how these things work. Think of the message that is sent when players who have many years of pvp experience in other successful games get ignored by the devs and then are at the mercy of the demands of these reckless requests. Eventually the message is so strong that players will get fed up and leave instead of putting up with bad design and balance changes.

[Copestetic]

I agree. Healers have been nerfed into the ground that they're sitting ducks. I mean, even with all of our healing skills, damage mitigation, ability to run tank right sides boosting our HP while still pushing out great heals, able to spam Sprint off CD, skills that prevent us from being interrupted, instant rez's, tons of CC for WHM's, debuffs for SCH's, cleanses, and having 7 other people to assist us; yep. Fucking helpless.

[Domira]

Cause I can see PLDs and MRD putting out too much damage for their "role."

So PLD damage is on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? Is that what you are saying?

[Shake0615]

So PLD damage is on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? Is that what you are saying?

Was a WHM's and SCH's on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? No, but that didn't stop it from getting nerfed. You want people to stick to strict, pre-defined roles then PLD and MRD should do no better damage than a healer - they should only tank,

[Divinemight]

Was a WHM's and SCH's on par with DRG, BLM, SMN, MNK? No, but that didn't stop it from getting nerfed. You want people to stick to strict, pre-defined roles then PLD and MRD should do no better damage than a healer - they should only tank,

You should do some reaserch. This is from other thread:



BLM with same 7-1 ratio only did 71204 and 3811 healing in direct comparison.

Please explain to me why do you need cleric stance to play as a healer on the Frontline
Please also explain to me why those players who use Scholar as DPS role should be on top of every other jobs without any form of peanlty. Let me remind you, when Marauder is going for full dps role, they actually scarificed 2k hp and 25% healing bonus. If they still want to play Scholar as dps role, they still can. They just have to be like Maruaders that drop their HP pool in exchange for the dps by switching vit accessories to int accessories.

Japanese Schoalrs and WHMs are melting everyone. Just to let you know. Japanse community has the population size to use premade and their tactics are brutal in a level you havent see on both Aether and Primals. This is a fact, but a fact a lot of healers on this fourm choose to ignore. Also, do not accuse SE listenign to the majority, that is a poor defense attempt that never works in WoW and any other MMO. Let me remind of you, unless you are going to accusing he is a lair without any evidence to back you up, Yoship said he has played more than 300 Frontlines in an open interview last month. I also shared a thread previously about him brought voice actress of Kan-E-Senna to the Frontline in 14 hours live event. He sees what he sees.

[Shake0615]

Japanese Schoalrs and WHMs are melting everyone. Just to let you know. This is a fact, but a fact a lot of healers on this fourm choose to ignore.

I don't read the JP forums, but it appears I stand corrected. There is at least one Scholar out there who can put big numbers on the board if that person indeed stayed on the class that entire time. However, is this really all that common in JP data centers? Cause I have yet to see anything remotely close to that on Primal. So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

Edit: I see that you added more to your post. I never accused anyone of being a liar, I simply pointed out that up to this point no one had done what you did - which was provide any actual proof that a healer could consistently compete with an actual DD class. As I said, I stand corrected. I'm sure there are more competitive data centers than Primal but that's the only comparison I can make...and you simply don't see that kind of damage. If the Japanese are good enough to pull off that kind of damage, more power to them. It's a Japanese game, so we folks in the rest of the world will have to roll with whatever changes best suit the Japanese market....doesn't mean I like it though lol

[Divinemight]

I don't read the JP forums, but it appears I stand corrected. There is at least one Scholar out there who can put big numbers on the board. However, is this really all that common in JP data centers? Cause I have yet to see anything remotely close to that on Primal. So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

Yes. It is very common for Japanse to use Scholar as dps role in solo or use WHMs spam Holy Stun to destroy other party. There are more other evidences if you spend sometime to do some reserach on it.

Also, this only impact those who on purposely play Schoalrs and White Mage as dps role. They now have to be like Marauder players, drop their HP for the dps output. Ask your self. You do not find it retard that a Scholar can surivive a lvl1 Brave like a Warrior, but output more dps than a Warrior at the same time?

[Amused]

So I'm more inclined to think that Tete Rouge is just a really, really good player, and that this case is an outlier rather than what's common.

The game should be balanced around the highest level of play, not average or below. Those levels of play are irrelevant when it comes to the subject of balance.

[Shake0615]

The game should be balanced around the highest level of play, not average or below. Those levels of play are irrelevant when it comes to the subject of balance.

I agree. Though over the course of this game, it's not hard to make an argument that SE has done the exact opposite and catered to the average or below crowd (echo buffs, tomestone overload, Sands/Oil dropping everywhere, etc.). So it wasn't much of a stretch to assume that this decision had something to do with the overwhelming cries of "it's too hard to kill a healer, make it easier" posse so present in the English forums.

[Gor]

You should do some reaserch. This is from other thread:

so sick of seeing this image thrown around using it as a basis for argument without no background knowledge of what actually happened to get those numbers. people are just speculating that he did that much as a SCH. if he jus stood there rolling dots on a clusterfuck at one base for 15 minutes because the enemy team kept banging their heads on it, it might be possible, but with only 33k heals, which is crap for a healer, it means he wasn't healing. hell even the BRD almost got as much healing as he did. the scorebard only records what spec you were when the game ended, not what class(es) you were prior so with 130k damage with only a shitty 7 kills, the most likely story is he swapped from dps to SCH mid-match, thus making it look like he did all that as a SCH when he actually did all that damage as a dps.