Requirement for Coil Not needed for Expansion But...

[coldreactive]

a lot of your "too difficult" complaints come from the fact that you dont know the fight and havent been in a group good enough to clear, and if your using DF and getting a party full of randoms, thats your biggest problem.

not trying to say you suck, but it might not be that its too hard as a raid, but that its too hard to learn the phases because everyone quits too fast.

I'm sorry if I'm incapable of finding a static that will take a newbie for a one-time run so I never do it again. I just don't like people who stonewall others by forcing them to watch a video or read a text guide. I'm also not keen on big FCs / Guild, especially with the voice chat requirement and website sign-up requirement, usually. Some FCs also advertise they aren't hardcore, when they actually are as well, which upsets me.

not to sound negative but I have had decent luck clearing it with the duty finder. its not terribly hard if you simply go in and learn what to do, yes people drop the party and you get a new person but its step by step and when you are comfortable enough put together a party finder to clear it.. on top of that next major patch an even higher item level will be here (probably 130+) which will not only increase players survivability but their output. So on top of the echo you will probably have an additional 10~15% HP on top of the echo (which I believe is sitting at 25% right now). I really dont see what you want them to do? Are you after just walking in and the boss killing itself? As far as coil 2 goes... I have done coil 2 one time, my first and only time I went as a WHM and I did T6-8 and learned a bit of T9. I will probably eventually try to do it some more but I am not sure yet as I dont consider myself a raider.

On Ragnarok, people ask if you're new to Coil, and if you've seen videos / etc. They will immediately kick no matter what if you haven't. I've watched a video twice, and read a text guide, but I've forgotten about half of the fight within just a few hours. I'm not going to bother to try and queue or find a static / etc. (I've even set my search information to say I won't do turn 5 or beyond ever.)

[Yurimi]

I'm sorry if I'm incapable of finding a static that will take a newbie for a one-time run so I never do it again.

Have you tried asking people you actually know... my friends and FC have taken plenty of people through their first time T5. If noones willing to help you maybe its time to make new friends. You dont need a static for 2nd coil let alone T5.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I'm sorry if I'm incapable of finding a static that will take a newbie for a one-time run so I never do it again. I just don't like people who stonewall others by forcing them to watch a video or read a text guide. I'm also not keen on big FCs / Guild, especially with the voice chat requirement and website sign-up requirement, usually. Some FCs also advertise they aren't hardcore, when they actually are as well, which upsets me.

You don't need a static. Simply be more social and make friends and join LS that are willing to help fledgling players beat older content. My FC and LS are constantly helping new players clear old content.

[coldreactive]

You don't need a static. Simply be more social and make friends and join LS that are willing to help fledgling players beat older content. My FC and LS are constantly helping new players clear old content.

I have one, but it's inactive, and I don't feel like joining a new one, because most of the ones on my current world that are English-Only have way too many hardcores, etc. I also don't want to turn off linkshell chat due to the number of people in it; nor do I want to hear drama about hunts, or people's negative experiences with duty finder.

You are saying here you dont like others requirements, yet here you are stating your requirements which is just as absurd, system isnt at fault, its your self.

Then that's too bad.

[Yurimi]

I have one, but it's inactive, and I don't feel like joining a new one, because most of the ones on my current world that are English-Only have way too many hardcores, etc. I also don't want to turn off linkshell chat due to the number of people in it; nor do I want to hear drama about hunts, or people's negative experiences with duty finder.



Then that's too bad.

Honestly if thats how you feel then noone can really help you. If it comes up one day to needing Coil cleared for something and you cant do it really you only have yourself to hold to fault. If you wish to cancel your sub then thats your choice but I highly doubt SE is going to make coil a single cutscene that you just talk to an NPC then skip so you can do all the stuff that needs it if there ever is anything (which is unlikely anyway).

[coldreactive]

Honestly if thats how you feel then noone can really help you. If it comes up one day to needing Coil cleared for something and you cant do it really you only have yourself to hold to fault. If you wish to cancel your sub then thats your choice but I highly doubt SE is going to make coil a single cutscene that you just talk to an NPC then skip so you can do all the stuff that needs it if there ever is anything (which is unlikely anyway).

Then why not pull a demon wall, like said above? I'll be honest, the dreadknights and snakes are the only reasons why I'm no good with it, as well as the 5x liquid hell. Already tried turn 5 three times, one of which was with a static of someone else's, which failed completely (Twice)

[Yurimi]

Then why not pull a demon wall, like said above? I'll be honest, the dreadknights and snakes are the only reasons why I'm no good with it, as well as the 5x liquid hell. Already tried turn 5 three times, one of which was with a static of someone else's, which failed completely (Twice)

its already been given nerfs in the form of a large player buff. in the end its still a raid and its a good place to go with people to learn about mechanics and what to expect from raids and to help teach them how their job works in a raid setting. I really dont know why liquid hell at the end (run away from twin, or snakes (most groups kill the 2 small ones before the 2nd divebomb set that I have been in) dreadknights I guess without a stun or a miasma from a sch or a smn it could be a bit annoying but really if twisters and divebombs arent killing you then you should be more than capable of winning if you tried. Those 2 are the 1 shot kills that catch people if they lack attention.

[Warlyx]

Then why not pull a demon wall, like said above? I'll be honest, the dreadknights and snakes are the only reasons why I'm no good with it, as well as the 5x liquid hell. Already tried turn 5 three times, one of which was with a static of someone else's, which failed completely (Twice)

because 110 gear and 20% boost is enough nerfs already ? nerfing it more is counterproductive, T5 is a boss that teach players some mechanics for future encounters , if u dont learn anything from it , then the Turn has no purpouse.

[Adler]

The only thing I agree with OP is that it's hard to ask others for help, at least it is a pain for me to ask for help. But to say that echo doesn't help and SE need to remove mechanics such as twisters or divebombs is plain dumb. I cleared coil 5 just recently due to big help from echo that makes dreadknight phase super short and practically you just only need to be able to avoid divebombs and twisters now - all dps checks are long gone already in T5.
About "casual players having hard time in endgame content" - I literally am staring mouth open at some of my fc members that beat content like monsters now though even 2 weeks ago they derped at everything they did. People that actually try as best they can to learn at least from their own mistakes - they do beat endgame content and get more skilled and self confident for the next content to come out.