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    Zencurse's Avatar
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    James Cairn
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaroldSaxon View Post
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    The SSpd/Det food? Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't that give less stats in total? I know its one rank above but since its not easy to get it 100% HQ isn't it just not worth when compared to a full HQ 100% Truffle/other non-acc food (I don't cook my own food for raids, guild does that)? Unless of course you mean the SSpd/Pie food...Which just seems flat out wrong period as there are far better ways to getting to 251 piety. Secondly notice I mentioned not just RNG, but also Foes Req uptime, I even put far more emphasis on the foes req uptime because thats a bigger spread. As for the 110 weps breaking 400, I wish we had some form of WoL for this game because I'd like to check that. Again my knowledge may be slightly outdated as I've had my 115 staff since before the 2.3 buffs but 450 seems rather high for a Leav.

    In any case I'd like to reiterate the importance of Foes Req uptime on a lot of peoples numbers, as if Saxs interpretation is anything of a general reading of this you missed the biggest point. I mentioned the RNG because that is indeed important, but its the foe req uptime is when things start getting messy and thats why I've seen as high as a 70 dps spread. Again, sometimes a Monk mismanages their TP and needs a peon, sometimes they don't, sometimes a member may mess up a mechanic and the healers have to dump mana and mana song gets thrown on for a while it really does vary a lot.

    EDIT: Okie just checked on the food thing and do you mean only at ilvls lower than 110/bis? Because while the stats may be better a certain ilvls at a full i110 set the best config I could find to try to maximize the total stats on food only provided a total of 31 more stats (6 det, 25 sspd) as compared to Puro's version of bis which clocks in at 35 more stats (9 acc, 26 crit) with omelettes even when taking into consideration you're "wasting" stats on accuracy with the food, the Sach config wastes 1 accuracy from being over cap, while the latter config puts you at exactly cap. Even after applying the stat weights to find each foods theoretical int, even if I assumed all 9 accuracy allowed for 9 more crit on gear rather than the better stats its still more theoretical int, keeping in mind this is purely at ilvl110 btw, at lower ilvls yea Sach seems way better. That said...Curiously when I ran the bis solver just generally with the stat weights listed by Puro I got a set that forwent both the omelettes AND the sach for the 5% accuracy/2% det food and took both Evenstar helm/boots rather than the normal 1 Evenstar/1 High Allagan split. I'm gonna have to test that, seems...Interesting if true? It doesn't seem "right" to me but since I can get the gear needed to test it I might as well.
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    HaroldSaxon's Avatar
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    Harold Saxon
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zencurse View Post
    The SSpd/Det food? Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't that give less stats in total? I know its one rank above but since its not easy to get it 100% HQ isn't it just not worth when compared to a full HQ 100% Truffle/other non-acc food (I don't cook my own food for raids, guild does that)? Unless of course you mean the SSpd/Pie food...Which just seems flat out wrong period as there are far better ways to getting to 251 piety. Secondly notice I mentioned not just RNG, but also Foes Req uptime, I even put far more emphasis on the foes req uptime because thats a bigger spread. As for the 110 weps breaking 400, I wish we had some form of WoL for this game because I'd like to check that. Again my knowledge may be slightly outdated as I've had my 115 staff since before the 2.3 buffs but 450 seems rather high for a Leav.
    The 27 spellspeed you gain is worth more than the combination of crit and det you get from Black Truffles. With 3 star food, I gain 29 spellspeed iirc, and 5 det, which is again, more than Black Truffles (but comes with the 3 star problems). As I said, i'm not at 450 yet on T8. I'm close, but unfortunately I don't get many runs now given how its on farm and thus not much chance to perfect it, but i'm getting close. Obviously i'm assuming Seleen usage because any scholar worth their salt uses seleen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zencurse View Post
    In any case I'd like to reiterate the importance of Foes Req uptime on a lot of peoples numbers, as if Saxs interpretation is anything of a general reading of this you missed the biggest point. I mentioned the RNG because that is indeed important, but its the foe req uptime is when things start getting messy and thats why I've seen as high as a 70 dps spread. Again, sometimes a Monk mismanages their TP and needs a peon, sometimes they don't, sometimes a member may mess up a mechanic and the healers have to dump mana and mana song gets thrown on for a while it really does vary a lot.
    Of course Foe's requiem is important, but I don't rely on it for my parses. I assume i'll get a Foe's at the start of the fight, and maybe if we're burning the boss at the end. Outside of that, unless you have more than 1 bard, you shouldn't expect any more in T8 unless you are running no Monks or Mana dependent classes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zencurse View Post
    EDIT: Okie just checked on the food thing and do you mean only at ilvls lower than 110/bis? Because while the stats may be better a certain ilvls at a full i110 set the best config I could find to try to maximize the total stats on food only provided a total of 31 more stats (6 det, 25 sspd) as compared to Puro's version of bis which clocks in at 35 more stats (9 acc, 26 crit) with omelettes even when taking into consideration you're "wasting" stats on accuracy with the food, the Sach config wastes 1 accuracy from being over cap, while the latter config puts you at exactly cap. Even after applying the stat weights to find each foods theoretical int, even if I assumed all 9 accuracy allowed for 9 more crit on gear rather than the better stats its still more theoretical int, keeping in mind this is purely at ilvl110 btw, at lower ilvls yea Sach seems way better. That said...Curiously when I ran the bis solver just generally with the stat weights listed by Puro I got a set that forwent both the omelettes AND the sach for the 5% accuracy/2% det food and took both Evenstar helm/boots rather than the normal 1 Evenstar/1 High Allagan split. I'm gonna have to test that, seems...Interesting if true? It doesn't seem "right" to me but since I can get the gear needed to test it I might as well.
    Accuracy doesn't give any extra stat if you are already capped. And chances are, it doesn't allow you to switch an accuracy piece for a non accuracy piece because its only 9 acc; most gear has more than that.

    Furthermore, saying that each stat is equal to eachother is completely incorrect. The weightings have been updated, and since just over a month ago, Spellspeed > Determination > Crit. Furthermore, sometimes its better to downgrade to an i90 crafted piece (for instance, belt, hat, jewellery) in order to get accuracy, or in the case of rings, to get more damage.
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