Average BLM DPS T8?

[Zencurse]

I always see these "My dps on T8 is x, shouldn't it be y"? I'm a bis 110 BLM and my DPS on T8 can sometimes be as high as 470ish (maybe more? Idk I stopped checking a while back since there wasn't really a point anymore with it on farm) and sometimes as low as just over 400ish. This isn't because I'm dying, or because I have tower duties. Its because of 2 major reasons, and they are the biggest things I always ask people who posts these threads:

A. RNG bud, we're Black Mages we live n die by our procs much of the time.
B. And this is the big one: How much is your Bard using Foes Req.

Every once in a while you'll see a guy yell out "OH YEA I DEW 550 DPS ON T8 AS ILVL 92 BLACK MAGE LAWLZ" and you gotta keep in mind that if the Bard has foes req up literally as much as possible (which in a geared T8 party with healers who won't need mana song and Monks/Dragoons/Bards that know how to manage their TP shouldn't be hard) then your damage will be high. If its up for only the first 30 seconds of the fight it'll be much lower. Sometimes our Bard runs it multiple times through the fight, sometimes our Monks complain 10 seconds into the fight about their TP. With Laev even at ilvl 109 if you're doing anything around 360-400 that "makes sense" for a typical BLM. As people noted, yes timing raging with your swift flares are important and do that. But keep in mind your mechanics: Weave thunderclouds for firestarter procs, if you're near the end of a mana dump with a thundercloud proc, go into blizzard THEN use the proc for best uptime on damage, transpose fire III if you have a proc in blizzard, etc. You'll do fine.

EDIT: Oh yea food. If you're accuracy capped your using the right food then with Black Truffle, which with a Leav shouldn't be that hard (SO MUCH ACCURACY ON DAT THING THO). In BiS you'll be around 461ish accuracy and using Omelettes to make up the last bit of accuracy. Though with the recent findings in Black Mage stat weights that could be outdated by now, but their still is a lot of discussion going on with that, so I say just stick with the current thinking.

[HaroldSaxon]

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Spellspeed food is better than Black Truffles - that is the current thinking and that is also what has given the best dps for a while now.

The RNG of BLM does not account for a spread that is that large. I generally see a spread of 20, maybe 25 at most.

With an i110 weapon, unless the rest of your gear is gimped, you should be doing 400+ on T8. I've personally been getting very close to 450 on some runs.

[Zencurse]

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The SSpd/Det food? Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't that give less stats in total? I know its one rank above but since its not easy to get it 100% HQ isn't it just not worth when compared to a full HQ 100% Truffle/other non-acc food (I don't cook my own food for raids, guild does that)? Unless of course you mean the SSpd/Pie food...Which just seems flat out wrong period as there are far better ways to getting to 251 piety. Secondly notice I mentioned not just RNG, but also Foes Req uptime, I even put far more emphasis on the foes req uptime because thats a bigger spread. As for the 110 weps breaking 400, I wish we had some form of WoL for this game because I'd like to check that. Again my knowledge may be slightly outdated as I've had my 115 staff since before the 2.3 buffs but 450 seems rather high for a Leav.

In any case I'd like to reiterate the importance of Foes Req uptime on a lot of peoples numbers, as if Saxs interpretation is anything of a general reading of this you missed the biggest point. I mentioned the RNG because that is indeed important, but its the foe req uptime is when things start getting messy and thats why I've seen as high as a 70 dps spread. Again, sometimes a Monk mismanages their TP and needs a peon, sometimes they don't, sometimes a member may mess up a mechanic and the healers have to dump mana and mana song gets thrown on for a while it really does vary a lot.

EDIT: Okie just checked on the food thing and do you mean only at ilvls lower than 110/bis? Because while the stats may be better a certain ilvls at a full i110 set the best config I could find to try to maximize the total stats on food only provided a total of 31 more stats (6 det, 25 sspd) as compared to Puro's version of bis which clocks in at 35 more stats (9 acc, 26 crit) with omelettes even when taking into consideration you're "wasting" stats on accuracy with the food, the Sach config wastes 1 accuracy from being over cap, while the latter config puts you at exactly cap. Even after applying the stat weights to find each foods theoretical int, even if I assumed all 9 accuracy allowed for 9 more crit on gear rather than the better stats its still more theoretical int, keeping in mind this is purely at ilvl110 btw, at lower ilvls yea Sach seems way better. That said...Curiously when I ran the bis solver just generally with the stat weights listed by Puro I got a set that forwent both the omelettes AND the sach for the 5% accuracy/2% det food and took both Evenstar helm/boots rather than the normal 1 Evenstar/1 High Allagan split. I'm gonna have to test that, seems...Interesting if true? It doesn't seem "right" to me but since I can get the gear needed to test it I might as well.

[HaroldSaxon]

The SSpd/Det food? Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't that give less stats in total? I know its one rank above but since its not easy to get it 100% HQ isn't it just not worth when compared to a full HQ 100% Truffle/other non-acc food (I don't cook my own food for raids, guild does that)? Unless of course you mean the SSpd/Pie food...Which just seems flat out wrong period as there are far better ways to getting to 251 piety. Secondly notice I mentioned not just RNG, but also Foes Req uptime, I even put far more emphasis on the foes req uptime because thats a bigger spread. As for the 110 weps breaking 400, I wish we had some form of WoL for this game because I'd like to check that. Again my knowledge may be slightly outdated as I've had my 115 staff since before the 2.3 buffs but 450 seems rather high for a Leav.

The 27 spellspeed you gain is worth more than the combination of crit and det you get from Black Truffles. With 3 star food, I gain 29 spellspeed iirc, and 5 det, which is again, more than Black Truffles (but comes with the 3 star problems). As I said, i'm not at 450 yet on T8. I'm close, but unfortunately I don't get many runs now given how its on farm and thus not much chance to perfect it, but i'm getting close. Obviously i'm assuming Seleen usage because any scholar worth their salt uses seleen.

In any case I'd like to reiterate the importance of Foes Req uptime on a lot of peoples numbers, as if Saxs interpretation is anything of a general reading of this you missed the biggest point. I mentioned the RNG because that is indeed important, but its the foe req uptime is when things start getting messy and thats why I've seen as high as a 70 dps spread. Again, sometimes a Monk mismanages their TP and needs a peon, sometimes they don't, sometimes a member may mess up a mechanic and the healers have to dump mana and mana song gets thrown on for a while it really does vary a lot.

Of course Foe's requiem is important, but I don't rely on it for my parses. I assume i'll get a Foe's at the start of the fight, and maybe if we're burning the boss at the end. Outside of that, unless you have more than 1 bard, you shouldn't expect any more in T8 unless you are running no Monks or Mana dependent classes.

EDIT: Okie just checked on the food thing and do you mean only at ilvls lower than 110/bis? Because while the stats may be better a certain ilvls at a full i110 set the best config I could find to try to maximize the total stats on food only provided a total of 31 more stats (6 det, 25 sspd) as compared to Puro's version of bis which clocks in at 35 more stats (9 acc, 26 crit) with omelettes even when taking into consideration you're "wasting" stats on accuracy with the food, the Sach config wastes 1 accuracy from being over cap, while the latter config puts you at exactly cap. Even after applying the stat weights to find each foods theoretical int, even if I assumed all 9 accuracy allowed for 9 more crit on gear rather than the better stats its still more theoretical int, keeping in mind this is purely at ilvl110 btw, at lower ilvls yea Sach seems way better. That said...Curiously when I ran the bis solver just generally with the stat weights listed by Puro I got a set that forwent both the omelettes AND the sach for the 5% accuracy/2% det food and took both Evenstar helm/boots rather than the normal 1 Evenstar/1 High Allagan split. I'm gonna have to test that, seems...Interesting if true? It doesn't seem "right" to me but since I can get the gear needed to test it I might as well.

Accuracy doesn't give any extra stat if you are already capped. And chances are, it doesn't allow you to switch an accuracy piece for a non accuracy piece because its only 9 acc; most gear has more than that.

Furthermore, saying that each stat is equal to eachother is completely incorrect. The weightings have been updated, and since just over a month ago, Spellspeed > Determination > Crit. Furthermore, sometimes its better to downgrade to an i90 crafted piece (for instance, belt, hat, jewellery) in order to get accuracy, or in the case of rings, to get more damage.