Average BLM DPS T8?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You're still using the wrong spell speed value. The actual combined value is 403.32. But yeah, point accepted. Trading in crafted pieces for i110 pieces has a small (keyword: small) increase on secondary stat value (6.82 worth). This does come at the cost of roughly 300 HP, however. Personally, I'll still stick with i110 gear as I've seen plenty of situation where the group, bar the tanks, ended up with <500 health or less. But penta-melding i90 pieces does seem viable to compete for damage for those who can't farm SCOB (completely). Assuming they think it's worth the time and gil (Savage Aim IV on Phoenix cost 300-700k depending on supply&demand)

[HaroldSaxon]

You're still using the wrong spell speed value. The actual combined value is 403.32. But yeah, point accepted. Trading in crafted pieces for i110 pieces has a small (keyword: small) increase on secondary stat value (6.82 worth). This does come at the cost of roughly 300 HP, however. Personally, I'll still stick with i110 gear as I've seen plenty of situation where the group, bar the tanks, ended up with <500 health or less. But penta-melding i90 pieces does seem viable to compete for damage for those who can't farm SCOB (completely). Assuming they think it's worth the time and gil (Savage Aim IV on Phoenix cost 300-700k depending on supply&demand)

What is the correct spellspeed value? I'm using the value with seleen usage from Puro. Which given that is what any good scholar uses, its realistic to assume that.

I've never had a problem where i've been one shot by a mechanic that was due to my lack of health rather than a derp of myself. Personally, I didn't spend that much time or gil on them, it isn't particularly hard to make gil in this game. But, that isn't everyones case. Personally, I like not having to be completely reliant on SCOB drops, because i've never been particularly lucky with drops. In fact, i've got more Bard drops than i've got for BLM.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

What is the correct spellspeed value? I'm using the value with seleen usage from Puro. Which given that is what any good scholar uses, its realistic to assume that.

You're assuming best case scenario for a black mage with that:
2 scholars who perfectly weave fey glow for you for 100% up time (practically impossible and chances are you only have 1 scholar anyway)
All Scholars use Selene - Even with 1 scholar, Fey Glow only has 50% uptime MAX. In reality this is much lower as there's always a few seconds lost on it (be it on sic or obey)
With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

[Adamantium]

With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

Just to be nitpicky, while I agree with the rest of your post, I feel the bolded isn't something that should even be considered. In my opinion, theorycrafting BiS gear/optimal rotations has always been targeted towards the top % of players who are most likely to reach, or get close to, that level of gear/optimized play. Players who care that much about their progress are likely to surround themselves with people with a similar mindset. A Scholar who cares about being as optimal as possible will never use Eos over Selene.

[HaroldSaxon]

Try this one out: Lets say u have 0,1 sec less cast time on fire then i have, that means u need a few casts to actually get ahead of me.

we both start with the same rotation. if we both get the interrrupt at the same time, lets say in 2nd fire rotation, ur mid way tho cast fire and im at the start of casting it, then ur ss bonus wasnt enough to gave u +1 fire cast compared to me.
that means we both had the same amount of spells, but my spells where hitting harder cause of the extra INT and we start again and ur bonus of beeing half a spell ahead is gone .

if u get that bonus form ss all the fight long and that means u can cast without getting interrupted, u can say its the strongest stat for BLM.

1) If you have to cancel a cast running Spellspeed, you WILL have to cancel for Crit/Det. This means that any bonus that was achieved by spellspeed is still achieved because you are still ahead.

2) There are many times when you cast a spell with spellspeed where you do not need to interupt your cast and you can move after (or use cast clipping to move). With a crit/det heavy build, there are instances where you can't finish your cast.

2) When you do cancel, you have a longer time recasting with crit/det compared to spellspeed. Another instant advantage.

3) If a fight has a short break (Such as T9 megaflare, T6 Blight, T5 Divebombs, T5 Post Snakes/Pre Twisters, Levi Jumps, Titan Jumps, Ifrit Jumps, Garuda Jumps/untargetable), then it doesn't matter what build you are running, you are at 0 dps. Does this make spellspeed builds terrible in these fights? No, because you aren't dps'ing and it doesn't count towards your dps. The break makes no difference.

You're assuming best case scenario for a black mage with that:
2 scholars who perfectly weave fey glow for you for 100% up time (practically impossible and chances are you only have 1 scholar anyway)
All Scholars use Selene - Even with 1 scholar, Fey Glow only has 50% uptime MAX. In reality this is much lower as there's always a few seconds lost on it (be it on sic or obey)
With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

No, the weighting is for 1 scholar with 50% uptime of Fey Glow. End game scholars that are decent use scholar. Theorycrafting like this is designated for end game. Things like T8. Things like this thread.

[athenia]

dude i guess u dont want to see the point.

Ur NOT ahead if u have to clip a cast BEFORE ur +1 cast ahead of me. The whole advantage u had ( lets say 1,7 sec) is gone if u have to cancel on that point.
if u have the same amount of finished casts, the Int build is much better. The whole point on having a ss build is to be ahead in casts!

[nugglets]

1) If you have to cancel a cast running Spellspeed, you WILL have to cancel for Crit/Det. This means that any bonus that was achieved by spellspeed is still achieved because you are still ahead.

2) When you do cancel, you have a longer time recasting with crit/det compared to spellspeed. Another instant advantage.

SSPD builds, make up for lower damage per cast(DPC) by getting in more casts. You can plainly see this when comparing the BiS sets on the spreadsheet. The DPC of the first Laeveteinn set is 1017 and the second is 994, yet the DPS values are 429.3 and 429.0.

Both of these points are completely inaccurate.

[Skeith-Adeline]

I have the HA boots and the HA belt now (Full Evenstar gear with weathered evenstar ring as original loadout)

Should I use them? Since I don't have the items for a SS BiS, I'm using a temp Crit build until I have enough items.

I do not have the patience to craft so I'll never have the ability to purchase high Gil items (unless new Myth/Sol mats are up to sell) so I'm stuck with current set-up.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I have the HA boots and the HA belt now (Full Evenstar gear with weathered evenstar ring as original loadout)

Should I use them? Since I don't have the items for a SS BiS, I'm using a temp Crit build until I have enough items.

I do not have the patience to craft so I'll never have the ability to purchase high Gil items (unless new Myth/Sol mats are up to sell) so I'm stuck with current set-up.

You could have several gear sets, really. As the Evenstar Sash gives accuracy but the High Allagan Belt does not, you could swap them around if you don't need the accuracy. Same for the boots. Remember: You don't need 471 accuracy for all content, so you can swap out pieces in favor for a bit more damage rather than accuracy.

[HaroldSaxon]

its +42 det on the lvl 110 gear so the result is 404,761.
What u really Forget about is, that ss has that 0,295 Rating ONLY in a perfect fight (no Interrupts) AND with selene. U simply cant give ss that high Rating cause u always get interrupted.
For me DET is as good as SS and that means the ilvl 110 set is better.

That doesn't actually make sense at all. If you have to interupt a cast on spellspeed, you have to interupt it on crit or det. It just means that during that movement part of the fight, you either aren't dps'ing or using scathe. Spellspeed has far better utility.

In fact, with spellspeed, you can finish a cast more often, and you can restart your rotation quicker.

Furthermore, the gearset of Puro's on the gearchecker comes up with this:

High Allgan Staff of Boner
High Allagan + Evenstar Bootees
High Allagan*/Evenstar
Evenstar
Evenstar
High Allagan
High Allagan + Evenstar Hat
High Allagan
High Allagan
High Allagan
Evenstar
High Allagan

I've put it into the gearchecker and come up with:

Int: +303
Crit: +187
Det: +38
SS: +178

So I was 1 crit out, which means its 403.941