Time to bring back 1.23 multi-job relic style dungeons

[Pandastirfry]

2. Challenging boss fights -- Remember the Deepvoid Slave (now known as Taulurd) and Batraal in 1.18? They are complete jokes today compared to back then. And it had nothing to do with animation lock or interface lag. Those fights were 100% well designed challenging mechanics.

The heck are you talking about. Deepvoid Slave, tank in corner, don't stand behind him, DPS use BRD or Blm to avoid ghost spawns. Burn him down like the chump he was,
Battraal was just kill adds avoid laser, tank as far away from healers as possible... Simple as you please (and if SCH had been around Battraal would have been even more of a cake walk). The only thing "hard" about DH after your first one or two clears was pumping out enough DPS to meet the extra chest Speed Run time.

[Eekiki]

The heck are you talking about. Deepvoid Slave, tank in corner, don't stand behind him, DPS use BRD or Blm to avoid ghost spawns. Burn him down like the chump he was,
Battraal was just kill adds avoid laser, tank as far away from healers as possible... Simple as you please (and if SCH had been around Battraal would have been even more of a cake walk). The only thing "hard" about DH after your first one or two clears was pumping out enough DPS to meet the extra chest Speed Run time.

The only thing "hard" about DH after your first one or two clears was pumping out enough DPS to meet the extra chest Speed Run time.

The only thing "hard" about DH after your first one or two clears

after your first one or two clears

Imagine that...getting better at something by practicing it multiple times.

That doesn't really help your argument though.

Plenty of groups wipe on Turd and Batraal on their first runs because they don't know what to do.

Haha, I'm not the only one that calls it Turd.

Of course some people wipe on them (ha, wiped on Turd). But ask yourself this: How many people cleared Darkhold v1.18 on their very first run with zero wipes? How many times on average did people wipe to Deepvoid Slave before their first kill compared to Turd?

I cleared Darkhold in ARR the first time with no wipes. I have never been in a group that has wiped to Taulurd or Batraal in 2.x. The most challenging part of today's Dzemael Darkhold is that cliff area after the first boss with the gigantoads that can knock you off if you're out of position and don't dodge or stun Labored Leap. When trash mobs are more of a challenge than the boss, something is wrong with the design.

So yeah...run past everything. BRD/BLM on Cyclops, Monk on Mistress.

Yeah, that's the other part some people seem to be forgetting about the "multi-class" experience of 1.23 (which is what I was hinting at when I was talking about it being like Brayflox HM speed runs). It was BRD or BLM onry and lolmnk loldrg no thanks, just like Mythflox.

[Gilthas]

Imagine that...getting better at something by practicing it multiple times.

That doesn't really help your argument though.

Plenty of groups wipe on Turd and Batraal on their first runs because they don't know what to do.

[Judge_Xero]

Funny thing about speed running dungeons in 1.23 was that it became a prerequisite to getting your relic. I can't remember exactly now, but I think you had to do
Darkhold, AV and Cutters in sub 7 minutes to spawn the chest for Salts, Ore and something else.

So yeah...run past everything. BRD/BLM on Cyclops, Monk on Mistress.

[Raxion]

It's hard enough to find players that can play ONE job effectively. Finding someone that could play 3-4 jobs effectively would be a near godsend.

[Tupsi]

That doesn't really help your argument though.

Plenty of groups wipe on Turd and Batraal on their first runs because they don't know what to do.

...Yeah it's hard to get out of indicators.

[Gilthas]

...Yeah it's hard to get out of indicators.

Harder than standing in the same spot for the whole fight, yes.

[Felis]

2. Challenging boss fights -- Remember the Deepvoid Slave (now known as Taulurd) and Batraal in 1.18? They are complete jokes today compared to back then. And it had nothing to do with animation lock or interface lag. Those fights were 100% well designed challenging mechanics.

Hmm, they were already with 1.21 easy after CC and AV gave you better gear. Implementing of the job system also made them easy.

[Zumi]

I played 1.0 and I thought the dungeon experience was not very good at all. I did all 3 dungeons, dark hold, arum vale and cutters cry.

1.0 had forced you to do speed runs to get loot. Yoshi P already said they would never go back to this. Dark hold for example consisted of following a tank as he runs through a bunch of leashing mobs and having blms sleep stuff like frogs and the hippocerfs when you have to stand in circles to unlock doors. There were only a few mobs you had to kill to spawn extra chests. Other then that it was run run run train mobs don't fight stuff.

AV on the other hand you still trained a lot of mobs but there were several more mobs required killing to get all the chests. Only DPS allowed where blms who could change to monk and 1 bard for ballad because you needed to have 2 whms keep aoe regen on the group because the zone had a constant poison gas that would drain HP. Anyway everyone had to go on blm and people changed to monk for the malabro boss because he was weak to fire and monk had fists of flames which did the most damage out of any dps. If you didn't have blm and monk leveled too bad you won't be getting a group for this dungeon as a dps.

Anyway I didn't like the whole idea of running though as many mobs as you could and trying to be in such a huge hurry all the time. For those of you who didn't play 1.0 you should of seen the people rage when they failed a speed run and didn't get all the chests. The name calling over a failed speed run, and yelling was far worse then 2.0.

[lololink]

Hmm, they were already with 1.21 easy after CC and AV gave you better gear. Implementing of the job system also made them easy.

What was that quote pirating ?