Labor prices

[Xystic]

There is a search function within the party finder. Use it.

The MB has one too. Use it.

[Darki]

Tell you what. You find me where in the ToS that says I can't advertise my services in the Party Finder, and I won't.

It says it in two places:

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Source: Final Fantasy XIV Terms Of Service


com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

2. making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, materialistic, mercenary
"a commercial society"

[Titor]

It says it in two places:

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Source: Final Fantasy XIV Terms Of Service


com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

2. making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, materialistic, mercenary
"a commercial society"

They mean real world commercial here.

[DefendPopPunk]

It says it in two places:

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Source: Final Fantasy XIV Terms Of Service


com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

2. making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, materialistic, mercenary
"a commercial society"

Looked up the definitions and everything. 11/10

[Baneus]

It says it in two places:

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.

2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Source: Final Fantasy XIV Terms Of Service


com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

2. making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, materialistic, mercenary
"a commercial society"

You're misreading that in an effort to make a point. Deliberately or through ignorance, I'm not sure. Those clauses affect people advertising outside services in-game. As in RMT or little Jimmy advertising his neat paywalled website.

A side note, boys and girls: "tips" come up in a lot of games with crafting services. Remember, you're playing with people from all over the world where tips are actually not the standard method of payment for services. The majority of us prefer to pay up front to save confusion and whining. Just set a price. People will pay it or not use your services. No confusion.

[Darki]

They mean real world commercial here.

Legally it has to specifically state that then. This is the reason why I included the definition of "commercial use." If it said "real world commercial use," then that would be different.

Let me also make it clear that I am not implying anything is "right" or "wrong" I am simply stating what is. By using the party finder or even the many forms of chat to advertise a service (even if it only exists inside the game) you are opening yourself up to trolls with knowledge of the ToS.

[Grimmel]

It says it in two places:

2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.
2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

Source: Final Fantasy XIV Terms Of Service


com·mer·cial
kəˈmərSHəl/Submit
adjective
1. concerned with or engaged in commerce.
"a commercial agreement"
synonyms: trade, trading, business, private enterprise, mercantile, sales
"a vessel built for commercial purposes"

2. making or intended to make a profit.
"commercial products"
synonyms: profit-oriented, money-oriented, materialistic, mercenary
"a commercial society"

Pro Tip: When a Terms of Service says "Commercial Advertising" It means advertising for real money.

Legally it has to specifically state that then. This is the reason why I included the definition of "commercial use." If it said "real world commercial use," then that would be different.

Let me also make it clear that I am not implying anything is "right" or "wrong" I am simply stating what is. By using the party finder or even the many forms of chat to advertise a service (even if it only exists inside the game) you are opening yourself up to trolls with knowledge of the ToS.

And yet your knowledge of the ToS is minuscule at best. Commercial is a term used in Terms of Service Agreements to dictate the real world uses. Like Commercial Car Dealerships.

A simple definition of Commercial is:
(of goods, chemicals, etc) of unrefined quality or presentation and produced in bulk for use in industry.

Also.. you failed to read the entire list in Section 2 which details other commercial real life uses that are illegal to use the game for.

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
The Game is a carefully controlled environment designed to provide the maximum level of enjoyment for all players. In order to preserve an enjoyable experience for all users, and to protect the intellectual property rights of Square Enix, the activities identified in this Section 2 ("License Limitations") are strictly prohibited and violate the conditions or limitations on your license to use the Game. Therefore, any use of the Game in violation of such restrictions exceeds the scope of the License granted to you and constitutes infringement of your license, and is grounds for immediate revocation of your license. Use of the Game in excess of these provisions, or use at all after your license is revoked (including loading the Game into your computer's RAM), infringes Square Enix's copyrights to the Game.
Violating these License Limitations may result in the suspension or permanent banning of your account, or such other lesser measures described in Section 3 which Square Enix may take in its sole discretion, or an action for copyright infringement or other legal claims, all of which are reserved. You agree that offering or providing banned services to other players of the Game constitutes improper interference with Square Enix's contracts with such players, and Square Enix reserves the right to take formal legal action against you if you do so, without warning.
Square Enix may update the list of License Limitations at http://sqex.to/ffxiv.na.support at any time. The current License Limitations are as follows:
2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.
2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including "gold-farming" and power-leveling services.
2.3 Commercial Use. You may not exploit the Game for any commercial purpose (for example, advertising any product or service in-game, or use by the operator of a cyber café) without Square Enix's prior written consent.
2.4 Private Servers. You may not create, operate, participate in or use any unauthorized servers intended to emulate the Game.
2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.
2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.
2.7 Modifying or Creating Derivative Software. You may not modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game or Service in any way not expressly authorized by Square Enix, and may not make any derivative works of the Game.
2.8 Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to distribute advertisements.

[Baneus]

Legally it has to specifically state that then. This is the reason why I included the definition of "commercial use." If it said "real world commercial use," then that would be different.

Let me also make it clear that I am not implying anything is "right" or "wrong" I am simply stating what is. By using the party finder or even the many forms of chat to advertise a service (even if it only exists inside the game) you are opening yourself up to trolls with knowledge of the ToS.

This trolling would in-fact fall under ToS:
3.9 Non-Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to harass other players.

I mean if you're going to bring up the ToS, remember that the entire thing applies at all times, not just the bits you want

[Darki]

You're misreading that in an effort to make a point. Deliberately or through ignorance, I'm not sure. Those clauses affect people advertising outside services in-game. As in RMT or little Jimmy advertising his neat paywalled website.

A side note, boys and girls: "tips" come up in a lot of games with crafting services. Remember, you're playing with people from all over the world where tips are actually not the standard method of payment for services. The majority of us prefer to pay up front to save confusion and whining. Just set a price. People will pay it or not use your services. No confusion.

Might want to re-read your signature. Also, I am "misreading" a document that I copy and pasted onto your screen that you can read for yourself? lmao! I even included the source so you can read the original, Mr.Dunning-Kruger

[Darki]

This trolling would in-fact fall under ToS:
3.9 Non-Commercial Spamming/Spimming. You may not use (or abuse) the in-game chat and message services to harass other players.

I mean if you're going to bring up the ToS, remember that the entire thing applies at all times, not just the bits you want

ha·rass
həˈras,ˈharəs/Submit

verb
1. subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.
"a warning to men harassing women at work"
synonyms: persecute, intimidate, hound, harry, plague, torment, bully, bedevil; More

2. make repeated small-scale attacks on (an enemy).
"the squadron's task was to harass the retreating enemy forces"
synonyms: harry, attack, beleaguer, set upon, assail
"they were sent to harass the enemy flanks"


This begs the questions: How are you being attacked, pressured or intimidated?