Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[SDaemon]

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advanced content? that is worth several giggles. sorry but your reasoning to lock out new players from playing rog and nin because you feel they should trudge through 50 levels and story content, for what exactly? what compeling reason would there be to do that? the story isn't changing regardless of them playing through the game as rog or nin, zippo nadda, not one bit. so all the players that have been here will be running around with level 1 rogues, but a new player doing it suddenly ruins your immersion? going off that logic rogues and ninjas should be banned from doing any content released before 2.4. Its only logical right?, story wise they didn't exist then.

[SDaemon]

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And I will repeat myself, what about all the content pre-2.4 and rogues and ninjas joining in that? Are you find with it? If you want our player characters to only exist within RP terms of the main story, then rog and nin would be barred from ever doing any pre 2.4 content. That is the line of reasoning you are using and its ridiculous lol.

[Jinrya-Geki]

The echo can answer this paradox. As it is an example of PIS, plot induced stupidity.

It can show new players a person who could have been a leader of the secret guild who trains them. Then the player ends up in the present time. You know exactly how it was done in 1.0 to 2.0 with minfilia.

[Xandim]

Im sure yoshi-p will do whatever he thinks its better. All we can rely on is lore so far, and according to lore, we'd have to wait for 2.2 to get ninja (since rogue could easily be done since the beginning, but then again, we'd have to wait till lv50 to get the job). Or the lv30 rogue quest could lead us to some remote place, and Yugiri (disguised and named ??? or Unknown) would spot us and see the "potential" we have, and after the quest was done we'd go back there so she could train us. And when she DOES appear, she could be like "so we meet again, glad to see a familiar face around here" or asking us to keep their relationship a secret, so it doesn't influenciate in any way when she first "arrives" here. Well, im not the most creative person in the world (im faaaar from it =P) but IF they do decide to let rogue/ninja available from the start, they will find a good reason how.

[JakzChurchill]

So apparently some people haven't heard of a plot twist, or changing the nature of a story once new information is gathered. I'll use the star wars angle like someone previously, once you find out Darth Vader is Lukes father it completely changes the way you look at everything prior to that, it's an important point that evolves all the previous plot by adding new information.

This plot device is used constantly throughout many mediums, the FF series employs it in pretty much all of their stories. (Eg Cloud not being Soldier in VII)

This plot device could easily be used to explain why the player is able to become rogue and ninja before the 2.2 story. All it takes is new information to evolve to previous plot. And who's to say Yugiri is definititly the one who trains us, because she offered? Guess what the player can just as easily tell her no, and be trained by someone else, its not that difficult to comprehend.

[Ultimatecalibur]

One thing they could do is that the Rogue/Ninja story has slight differences depending on where the character is currently in the Main Story. These would be similar to the differences between the Main Story for a Legacy and Non-Legacy characters.

[lololink]

it's greatly possible that the guild of the new rogue/ninja will be at the revenant's toll, since most doman are there and will have sense with the talk of yugiri saying she will train adventurer personally (and yes in french she clearly say that she will open a dojo when ready).

It's greatly possible that it's in Limsa, it's not because Yugiri wants to open a dojo that it will be the rogue guild. Also there would be nothing wrong with the scene of 2.2, the problematic scene is maybe :
People being surprised that Yugiri fight like a rogue while the player is a rogue too and no one praise him for this, NPCs doesn't care about the player anyway, he is just here to save the world after all !

Except for that part which would be a little weird, that's all, the scene where Yugiri says she wants to learn more about the rogue fighting style wouldn't be any issue, she discovers that there is a style close to her so she is interested and wants to share her knowledge.

Even the Ninja master doesn't have to be a Domian refugee.

[Karnyboy]

I honestly feel you're putting way too much thought into this matter.

New class will function the same way as current classes do. Rogue to 30, another class to 15 then Ninja to 50.

Try not to complicate it's existence into the lore. It will just exist come expansion day.

[Xandim]

I honestly feel you're putting way too much thought into this matter.

New class will function the same way as current classes do. Rogue to 30, another class to 15 then Ninja to 50.

Try not to complicate it's existence into the lore. It will just exist come expansion day.

NIN is not for the expansion, xD

People are just theorycrafting how to fit ROG/NIN with the current lore, and Yoshi would have to make a few changes to the 2.2 texts to fit that class right from the beginning

Or it would be strange as hell =P OR he could make that class/job is something like advanced job.

[ZReport]

I think you guys are over thinking the situation. It will be as simple as just needing to be beyond the Main Scenario Quest, "When Yugiri Met the Fraternity". How it can go down however, may differ:

A) Must have completed "When Yugiri Met the Fraternity", requiring you to be beyond the 2.0 and 2.1 story arcs, which also in turn require level 50 in at least one job. Rogue will be unlocked though it's unknown method and Ninja will be progressed into.

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B) Rogue can be unlocked through the on-set as other classes, but unlocking Ninja will require "When Yugiri Met the Fraternity" to be completed.

The way the storyline has played it out, Ninja does not exist on the continent in any form or fashion prior to Yugiri coming to Eorzea with her Doman family. It's very doubtful that we will see some unknown Ninja character who has decided to train people in the art, Yugiri will very likely be the person who teaches you (as she promised in the Main Scenario that she would do). How Rogue plays out however will be up for debate. They could put it right out for everyone to start off with, but lock Ninja or make it so that only people who have progressed beyond 2.2 can access the class.