Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[Dhex]

No matter how you choose to read Catcher in the Rye, the story will NEVER change. No matter who or what you play as, be it ROG or NIN, in FFXIV, the story leading up to where we are now (2.3) will NEVER change...I mean really x)

The first time you read Catcher:

A) You read Catcher in the Rye and at the end you find out something about the character that changes your perception of him.

B) You read the last few pages of Catcher, then read the book armed with knowledge about the character you otherwise wouldn't have.

If you get the parts out of order it changes the way you put together the whole..


Imagine knowing the truth about Darth Vader before you watched A New Hope... Q Q those poor kids that saw Episode I II and III before IV V and VI...


So yeah. Even if you get the "whole" story - the way the story is interpreted changes based on the order in which you get the parts.



As a story teller - a linear narrative is pretty important. Not that FFXIV: ARR is entirely linear... thanks Echo! etc.

Either way - retcons and inconsistencies are messy.

[Kos_Mos]

My thoughts are since Rogues existed before, they could have it as a starting class THEN have one of the pre-req quests to unlock Ninja being you need to be passed a certain point in Main Story to fit with the lore. Technically you don't have to have a job to finish main story. It's A LOT better if you do, but it's not necessary. It means that people starting out on it will have a little more work but it does make sense as well.

[Kos_Mos]

In 3.0 however, the way our story goes it will be more interesting. Start as a Doma, oh look the Domas just moved here, lol. For it to make sense they would have to make anyone who started post 3.0 to begin where 2.0 left off. Now that brings other questions, how will they get their Magitek mount? Imperial armor? Salute emote? It's a debate that can continue on for a long time. The lore team has their work cut out for them imo, will be interesting how they decide to put the pieces together. From a players standpoint, if I start after 3.0 then found out there was another race that I had to save/buy a Fantasia Potion to play I'd be upset. From the lore standpoint if they start at 2.0 story it makes sense. I'm really wondering how it will work.

[Karnyboy]

Why is this thread still going? I'm pretty sure that the majority of us answered this a page or two ago.

[EdwinLi]

Why is this thread still going? I'm pretty sure that the majority of us answered this a page or two ago.

I don't know but it is a bit entertaining seeing this argument progress since there is only 1 ways this can end being 1 side is right and 1 side is wrong.

Once we learn how SE will officially handle adding Rogue/Ninja in 2.4 there will be imaginary bloody everywhere no matter who is right or wrong

I'm just getting my chair ready and say now...

[Nahara]

From the MMO standpoint, it makes sense to open this class from the get go, as some people may join the game because they heard ninja was coming, or like to keep to one class and want that to be NIN.

Despite what people may think about World of Warcraft and Blizzard, they were able to successfully launch the Death Knight as a Hero Class, requiring that players progress enough in the game in order to unlock it for use; in the case of Death Knights, it was achieving Lv55.

While I get that people might want to have Rogue and NIN available right out of the gate, it makes more sense if it's restricted to those who have already reached Lv50 and progressed enough in the storyline to see the introduction of Lady Yugiri and her helping found the Rogue's Guild before players are allowed to play the class.

And on top of that, I really don't see SE wanting to go back and completely re-do parts of the 2.2 storyline and re-record voiced cutscenes in order to adapt them to a situation where Rogues and Ninja had already existed in Eorzea by the time the player reaches the 2.2 storyline and meets Lady Yugiri.

[Gilraen]

The problem with citing the story as a reason to lock new people out of rogue as a starting class is that never is your class referenced in any of the story dialogue. Sure, Thancred and Yugiri going rogue-school in Sapsha(sp?) will be a 'shock' when rogue players get to that part. And learning that their Job wasn't ready story-wise till 2.4 will be a giggle. But the only thing that the story looks at you for is what quests you've completed in the process, not your class. The rogue/Ninja story also plays such a miniscule part in Yugiri's storyline that's so very clearly about Garlean refugees, Ascians and Leviathan. You people who want to lock basic content behind 50 levels of quests and cutscenes really need to pull that stick from twixt your cheeks, you really do.

[silentwindfr]

*sighs* that the trouble Gilraen, it's not basic content, it's a new content. it's not that it wasn't ready and that why they bring it to the 2.4.... create a class/jobs take a lot of time, because of the balance, make sure the class have unique mechanic and such.

no one is lock out of the rogue, since whatever you do, you will have to do the story quest. all this talk are pointless, because whatever you say, it don't change the fact that it's a new content added after the release. it's not a starting class, it's a new add to the game. do people complain because they need to do the story for get acces to mog/levi/ramuh? no. that the same. it's not different than the glamour that recquire to be level 50 for be unlocked. exept here, you will need to do the story line quest for get acces to the class.

one more time, is not basic content, it's advanced content, in the sense that it was not there at the base, it's a whole new content added to the game, that you that are making a fuss for nothing. saying it's unfair for the new player... when it's not different than the recquirement to the glamour or dyeing or tribes quest or hunt or personal housing! they are content that reward you for advance in the story. you are the one that want to simply take out this progression for a reason as ridiculous than saying it will lock out player, when no one is lock out...

[Mijin]

I still wish that they would have just done away with classes in 2.0 and went jobs only.

[silentwindfr]

I still wish that they would have just done away with classes in 2.0 and went jobs only.

god, i wish it too... all this talk will not be there if they had droped the class... no one play them anyway... why not simply say that you upgrade your class with the cristal and that all.

by the way, one more point, in a few years, the game will have far more class/jobs available do they must all be available at the start?
another point, it's greatly possible that the guild of the new rogue/ninja will be at the revenant's toll, since most doman are there and will have sense with the talk of yugiri saying she will train adventurer personally (and yes in french she clearly say that she will open a dojo when ready).