Tiny tweak to hunts that might improve the patience for pulling...

[Celaine]

Especially now with the changes, everyone wants to move into insta-zerg on A's and S's making it even harder for people to participate. Everyone seems worried if they don't hurry up and get in their hit, they might not get any credit because the mass hoarde will be arriving.

What if for every participant that helps with downing an S or even an A, there's a slightly greater % chance of a log dropping? SE doesn't even have to announce the rate or make it a huge one. Just encouraging people to be a little patient and let someone cross the zone from the nearest aetheryte instead of GOTTA GET IT NOW.

We already know there are mechanics in place to see how many people participate in a FATE which adjusts the next instance of it accordingly. Game should be able to process "oh hi 20 more people got in some action on this hunt than last time, have a little item drop rate boost."

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That wouldn't change anything. People pulled because they didn't want to wait for others or run the risk of not getting full credit. People want to grind marks for seals to get books anyway, no one's going to rely on RNG for a book to drop.

[samnas]

Last thing needed is another 200 people there.

[R1dder]

It's already hard enough to load the S marks with the amount of people there. Don't need any more.
It sucks to be late on A and S marks, but it happens and you can't blame them for pulling.

[Kenji1134]

Part of the issue seems to be a "credit cap".

Simply put, you (your group) need to generate a certain amount of hate on the mob in order to get the maximum rewards. This value seems to be different for B's, A's, and S's... Note, I am assuming that the hate theory is true, not the #-of-actions theory.

However the mob only has a certain amount of HP... Agrippa being "somewhat" of an exception... So as more and more people pile in, there is less hp-per-person to go around, hence less potential contribution. So it is "better" to get in a few extra attacks (and hate) before the 200 strong horde comes along, than to risk losing potential contribution for waiting.

Of course there are a few ways around this, which a lot of people dont seem to like.

1. Everyone go tank, in Defiance or Shield Oath. Low damage, high hate generation = a lot of contribution WITHOUT significantly impacting everyone else's ability to get credit.

2. Have a WHM, or 8, have the WHM TAG THE MOB using a single Aero. This is important, no tag means you might not get any credit at all... so please always tag it.
Then have everyone including the WHM stack under the mob, and spam Cure 3.

3. "Potential Supreme Contribution Machine" -tm
1 very very geared Warrior or PLD, with str/dps accessories, your goal is to generate maximum aggro.
1 bard, your goal is... to play manasong, and poke the mob.
6 WHMs, stack with the bard, everyone throw 1 Aero, and Cure 3 bomb the party like no tomorrow... and hope your high dps/aggro tank can keep the mob from eating your face. (Shroud will help)

Notice how none of these solutions involve 8 dps classes?
Because all too often, having nothing but dps in the group leads to less than full credit, because dps gets less contribution (hate theory) per attack, AND consumes more of the mob's limited HP per attack, resulting in less global contribution potential.

TLDR;
Stop running dps on hunts! Bring tanks and WHMs, and almost everyone can get full credit.

[Alx789]

First shooters gets more agro. It doesn't depend on real damage they do. And raises chances to full prize. W/o changing algorithm of prize calculation they will be motivated to do this.

[Thayos]

Honestly, trolls will troll no matter what. They care more about the trololololol than they do the rewards.

Not all early pulls are the result of trolling, but it's pretty obvious when it is, and it happens quite a bit. The only way to solve this problem is to make GM reports and hope these people are laughing/bragging in chat with their cohorts.

[kidvideo]

There is no such thing as pulling early on open world content.

[NyneAlexander]

There is no such thing as pulling early on open world content.

There IS such thing as being a jerk that doesn't really care about other people in the community

[Miakisaki]

The easiest fix here would be an immunity window, but what we did in our LS was make sure we had tanks and healers in each group then did minimal dps on it while they got most of the threat in. This ensure everyone would get full credit as long as people got their three hits in and didn't pop any dps cooldowns so that everyone had the opportunity to tag the mob.

B Rank changes really hurt our community. People hardly group anymore now, and we have no more need for organization so there's no communication or anything like we had. It's just a mad rush to kill because nobody wants to miss the next A window due to no longer having Bs to supplant what was missed. It's terrible.