SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

[Dwill]

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After the opening rotation and once mechanics kicks in, there is no fixed rotation anymore. It all becomes a priority system.

This as been stated multiple times but it doesn't come as a surprise considering your knack for ignoring everything that contradicts you or proves you wrong.

You learn a Summoner's abilities by playing the job, not by parsing. You learn about your abilities by reading the description, not by parsing.

Ruin II, among other abilities, can be used while your dodging because of instant cast, Ruin I for MP conservation.

Titan can be used in a dungeon, under the right circumstances & with the proper control.

This knowledge comes from experience, not parsing.

Being able to read a tooltip is not experience. Titan being able to tank when you support him is not knowledge, that's what tank pet and classes do.

Actual knowledge requires you to test multiple rotations, math out the maximal potency out of each of them, look at what is and what isn't on the GCD to weave skills in, knowing if certain situations warrant clipping DoTs, knowing when Shadowflare becomes a single target buff in correlation to its cast time and the certainty that the boss will not move for said amount of time. It's knowing how to micro manage your pet without taking a hit to your damage. Actual knowledge comes testing your job, from wanting to min-max it, learning as much as you can out of it, to push it to its limit and with that knowledge, put it into experience to try to become even better. Then you can say you know you really know your job. And with the tool available in the game, it's not just not feasible to do all of this. After all, how do you think accuracy caps were figured out ?

Reading a tooltip is not experience nor is it knowledge. You can say that you don't need a parser to learn the basics and that's true. But don't come and say just reading the tooltips will make you the best at your job. You always need a way to validate your data and inputs and the game by itself does not allows us to do that. So there is no way that you can come here and say you're just as good as everybody else based on what you see in game, it's just not true.

By the way, it's kind of ironic to see you talking about optimizing your job and knowing how to play yet you do not even have Swiftcast as a Summoner.

[kidvideo]

But don't come and say just reading the tooltips will make you the best at your job.

Didn't say anything about "tooltips". But keep reading & don't make up things that weren't said. "This knowledge comes from experience, not parsing."

But I do apologize for assuming comprehension followed reading an abilities description. Such as, an instant cast means you can move while casting & not reduce your dps. Nothing explain that to me, it just seemed obvious. Nothing explained that you use shadowflare when mobs are stationary... that just seemed obvious. The ability descriptions with cast time & duration, & affects based on other abilities, basically explain the optimal rotation for single & multiple targets. That's the "experience" part of the sentence you missed.

A parser was unnecessary.

[Dwill]

Didn't say anything about "tooltips". But keep reading & don't make up things that weren't said. "This knowledge comes from experience, not parsing."

Oh:

You learn a Summoner's abilities by playing the job, not by parsing. You learn about your abilities by reading the description, not by parsing.

I wonder, hows does one read a description and not read the tooltip ?

[kidvideo]

Oh:


I wonder, hows does one read a description and not read the tooltip ?

The difference is in definitions & platform. You're on a PC mousing over your abilities. I'm on a PS4 reading my ability descriptions from the character ability & traits menu. Also, aren't "tooltips" the green question mark that appears when new features are unlocked?

[Mcshiggs]

The difference is in definitions & platform. You're on a PC mousing over your abilities. I'm on a PS4 reading my ability descriptions from the character ability & traits menu. Also, aren't "tooltips" the green question mark that appears when new features are unlocked?

The green question marks is the active help system, a tooltip is the description of the spell/ability that pops up when you mouse over the icon, it provides the same information that the descriptions in the character menu. Actually the character menu gives a bit more information because it gives a description for the enkindle abilities of all the summons, and the icon for enkindle is the one you as the summoner use to command the pet to use it's ability, so the tool tip for enkindle just has a generic description about commanding your pet to use their ability. This however has nothing to do with parsing and what the whole thread is about, but I doubt the people arguing with you will care and will call you out on this, because it will shortly draw attention away from the fact that by using tools to parse they are cheating.

[Dwill]

The green question marks is the active help system, a tooltip is the description of the spell/ability that pops up when you mouse over the icon, it provides the same information that the descriptions in the character menu. Actually the character menu gives a bit more information because it gives a description for the enkindle abilities of all the summons, and the icon for enkindle is the one you as the summoner use to command the pet to use it's ability, so the tool tip for enkindle just has a generic description about commanding your pet to use their ability. This however has nothing to do with parsing and what the whole thread is about, but I doubt the people arguing with you will care and will call you out on this, because it will shortly draw attention away from the fact that by using tools to parse they are cheating.

He's arguing that one can min-max and play the job at its maximum efficiency by reading tooltip and not using a parser/relying on data that comes from one. How isn't that related to parsing ?

It's like experience, knowledge, skill, talent, common sense, experimentation, advice, seeing someone else rotation and judgement calls (mimicking what they are doing because they are obviously out performing you), and so on and so on are things that can't happen because with parsers you magically become #1 in seconds.

The mentality is truly baffling but it's their life style now. Thus they wont listen to us and they will over complicate and retort to the behavior they continue to emit because they don't want to have it any other way.

You've been asked plenty of time to back up your claims yet you continue on just rehashing the same statements without any form of proof whatsoever which invalidate whatever little credibility you might have had. You've proven times and times again your lack of knowledge on the matter so I don't know why it comes off as a surprise when people dismisses your claim and refuse to listen (rightfully so) to you.

I choose not to use parsers because they are pointless to me. I know what I'm doing and why I choose to do what I do.

There's many reason why people choose to and choose not to use a parser. With near a decade of seeing it on MMO's everyone has their own individual reasons. Yet categories and stereotypes form due to a group of player using it and behaving a certain way.

Yet the outcome is obvious across all MMO's that use such tools and that's dealing with discrimination as difficulty rises by people that become anti-social due to wanting to complete end-game and creating a stressful environment for themselves and others because they aren't clearing the content and getting their uber 1337 gear.

I find the irony quite hilarious: "We don't you to tell us how to play so we're going to fight too th and nail to prevent you to play how you want to play". You can't even prove when asked multiple times that people gets harassed in game consistently (according to you) yet we should believe you ?

You thinking you know what you're doing and you actually knowing what you're doing are two different things and the only way to actually valid this is by parsing.

[Gormogon]

Didn't say anything about "tooltips". But keep reading & don't make up things that weren't said. "This knowledge comes from experience, not parsing."

But I do apologize for assuming comprehension followed reading an abilities description. Such as, an instant cast means you can move while casting & not reduce your dps. Nothing explain that to me, it just seemed obvious. Nothing explained that you use shadowflare when mobs are stationary... that just seemed obvious. The ability descriptions with cast time & duration, & affects based on other abilities, basically explain the optimal rotation for single & multiple targets. That's the "experience" part of the sentence you missed.

A parser was unnecessary.

It's like experience, knowledge, skill, talent, common sense, experimentation, advice, seeing someone else rotation and judgement calls (mimicking what they are doing because they are obviously out performing you), and so on and so on are things that can't happen because with parsers you magically become #1 in seconds.

The mentality is truly baffling but it's their life style now. Thus they wont listen to us and they will over complicate and retort to the behavior they continue to emit because they don't want to have it any other way.

Some people choose to follow the rules, some choose to cheat because they are pretty sure nothing will happen to them, that's a personal thing there, I choose not to use parsers, because at this point using one is cheating. I'm guessing you couldn't find anything I said about a blanket statement of parsing being cheating, because everything I said was about third party programs, so you try to slyly slip into another post implying I think the act of parsing is cheating, when anyone could read my posts and see I believe the act of using a program to parse is cheating. Good try though.

I choose not to use parsers because they are pointless to me. I know what I'm doing and why I choose to do what I do.

There's many reason why people choose to and choose not to use a parser. With near a decade of seeing it on MMO's everyone has their own individual reasons. Yet categories and stereotypes form due to a group of player using it and behaving a certain way.

Yet the outcome is obvious across all MMO's that use such tools and that's dealing with discrimination as difficulty rises by people that become anti-social due to wanting to complete end-game and creating a stressful environment for themselves and others because they aren't clearing the content and getting their uber 1337 gear.

[Sebazy]

The mentality is truly baffling but it's their life style now. Thus they wont listen to us and they will over complicate and retort to the behavior they continue to emit because they don't want to have it any other way.

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