So resetting's against the rules now?

[Appleh4x]

Except you specifically mentioned playing solo and with small groups of friends

No one is forced to follow that guide you love-so-much. If I wanna hunt alone, I do it alone, if I do it with friends, I do it with friends.
I'm not forced to SHOUT to the server, nor I'm obliged for your party to get there in time.

I'm the only one here not crying lol. The GM said the intent is what matters, and if someone resets for the purpose of making others not get seals (he specifically mentioned hunts with large kill mechanics and petrification) then that would be griefing. Resetting so everyone can get seals =/= griefing but he said people are allowed to report if they feel it was and they will investigate and decide if the intent was malicious or not. Maybe you should go back and read.

[Tiraelina]

Except you specifically mentioned playing solo and with small groups of friends

I'm the only one here not crying lol. The GM said the intent is what matters, and if someone resets for the purpose of making others not get seals (he specifically mentioned hunts with large kill mechanics and petrification) then that would be griefing. Resetting so everyone can get seals =/= griefing but he said people are allowed to report if they feel it was and they will investigate and decide if the intent was malicious or not. Maybe you should go back and read.

No. You just continue to twist Enkrateia's words to suit your purposes. Resetting for any reason is enough for an investigation and likely action. Your personal intent is irrelevant. You are willingly disrupting everyone that was already there.

Big mistake: Writing anything on these forums at all.

I can only imagine how the CM's and GM's feel.

[Appleh4x]

No. You just continue to twist Enkrateia's words to suit your purposes. Resetting for any reason is enough for an investigation and likely action. Your personal intent is irrelevant. You are willingly disrupting everyone that was already there.



I can only imagine how the CM's and GM's feel.

I haven't twisted anything. Everyone else here is saying "x is harassment/disruption/bannable" when the GM said that it all boils down to if the GM thinks the intent of the reset is punishable or not. The GM is the only one with power, the only one who can say whether each specific event is punishable or not, and the only one who can enforce it. I'm one of the few people taking what he said at face value.

[Eckhart]

Except you specifically mentioned playing solo and with small groups of friends

Except this is exactly what I said: If I wanna hunt alone, I do it alone, if I do it with friends, I do it with friends.

Did you even see my conditional IF in my response?
IF I want to play solo.
IF I want to go with a party.
IF I want to go with a whole FC.
IF I want to go with a LS.

Yeah, because since I want to choose anytime with who and how many people I tag along any given time makes any difference and means I'm allowed to play an MMO or not. Quit your bickering already. I play the game I paid for however I want, and if you grief me in the process, you're getting reported.

[Appleh4x]

Except this is exactly what I said: If I wanna hunt alone, I do it alone, if I do it with friends, I do it with friends.

Did you even see my conditional IF in my response?


Yeah, because since I want to choose anytime with who and how many people I tag along any given time makes any difference and means I'm allowed to play an MMO or not. Quit your bickering already. I play the game I paid for however I want, and if you grief me in the process, you're getting reported.

Your attitude and words in this thread don't convey the message that you play with many people in a friendly manner in this game. The people sharing the hunts also pay, and you pulling early cuts into the amount of progress those players can make with their play time. Early pulls are more theft than resetting, especially if you didn't find the mob (judging from your posts you clearly aren't the person finding hunts either, maybe one or two ever lol.)

[Eckhart]

Except I play as my OWN life and time lets me. If I find a mob and I want to kill it I do it. If you are gonna cry because I don't let the server know it, you know, cry some more because Finders keepers mechanic is built that way. And I dont need your help for B's or A's.

If you want to keep playing the Messiah and reseting for everyone in your server just so they tell you how awesome you are in a game, and you share a lot more power to you mate. If you are griefing people and you are reported, and eventually banned, I hope you suck it up and move on, don't want to see you in theseforums saying OMG I WAS BANNED I THOUGHT INTENTIONS SAVED ME FROM IT!

'cause you got the post of the GM totally wrong. Resetting is reportable, and intentions it's just one of many factors that decide wether you are being bad or not, not the only one, which is what you are not understanding all along.

[Enkrateia]

The GM said the intent is what matters, and if someone resets for the purpose of making others not get seals (he specifically mentioned hunts with large kill mechanics and petrification) then that would be griefing. Resetting so everyone can get seals =/= griefing but he said people are allowed to report if they feel it was and they will investigate and decide if the intent was malicious or not. Maybe you should go back and read.

Allow me to address this, since it became a bit of a topic for discussion.

Both of these incidents could be reported for a grief tactics violation, and a GM would investigate. Despite the intent to make sure more people could participate in the latter example, a GM could still determine this to be a violation of the rules, since you are also intending to impact the progress made by others who may be fighting the hunt mark. The GM will determine the final intent of the action that was taken. If this was determined to be a violation, regardless of one's stated intent, I would expect any GM to issue an account action against the person who committed the grief tactics violation.

[CSX]

GM Knowledge Hammer

I think this thread is a wrap.

[Barboron]

Allow me to address this, since it became a bit of a topic for discussion.

Both of these incidents could be reported for a grief tactics violation, and a GM would investigate. Despite the intent to make sure more people could participate in the latter example, a GM could still determine this to be a violation of the rules, since you are also intending to impact the progress made by others who may be fighting the hunt mark. The GM will determine the final intent of the action that was taken. If this was determined to be a violation, regardless of one's stated intent, I would expect any GM to issue an account action against the person who committed the grief tactics violation.

Good, people who reset them seem to think they are some self righteous player who is assisting others. Well, you're not! You're taking from other players. Hunts are not designed for the entire server and that's why B marks would die in seconds because there are so many people there.

Pulling "early" is also complete BS. There is no way to pull early because nobody can tell you when you have to or should pull, it's up to the discretion of the players to do it when they see fit because they are paying for this game as much as anyone else and shouldn't endure the harassment of players with abuse in /tell or /shout chat.

Now, here's where I will seem hypocritical. I won't deny I have reset one or two mobs. Although I won't deny I did it for the thought of my own party and FC members and not with consideration to those players shouting for a reset. But for the last few days, if a mob has been pulled, that's it. Good luck to you even if you are my party member or FC. I'll even do my best to prevent resets because of this grief tactic.

Play how you want, not how other players expect you to.