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  1. #1
    Player
    Kyroc's Avatar
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    Shen Anigans
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Example A: If others are fighting the mark and you reset it for your party member, you are griefing those others and they can report you for interrupting their gameplay.

    As for the PS3 comment, how can you grief someone who is not there and not involved in the fight? A player trying to get to the mob but is still on the other side of the map is not being griefed, they are just out of luck.
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    Appleh4x's Avatar
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    Aka Kitsune
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 51
    As a tank on my server who actively hunts (and finds many of the hunts that I do myself) I will continue to reset mobs when people shout and ask for it. I have never on my server had the issue of people not getting credit for a reset, and have only seen it benefit others. If someone pulls early and my party is not all there, I will also reset the mob so everyone has a chance to receive full credit. I have seen people grief by pulling as soon as they show up when many are clearly waiting on party members (hunts were designed to be done in parties btw,) and I always reset when this happens.
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    Mcshiggs's Avatar
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    Vizzer Mcshiggs
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Appleh4x View Post
    As a tank on my server who actively hunts (and finds many of the hunts that I do myself) I will continue to reset mobs when people shout and ask for it. I have never on my server had the issue of people not getting credit for a reset, and have only seen it benefit others. If someone pulls early and my party is not all there, I will also reset the mob so everyone has a chance to receive full credit. I have seen people grief by pulling as soon as they show up when many are clearly waiting on party members (hunts were designed to be done in parties btw,) and I always reset when this happens.
    Enjoy your suspensions.
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  4. #4
    Player
    Appleh4x's Avatar
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    Aka Kitsune
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Enjoy your suspensions.
    My server isn't full of people like yourself. I actually am thanked for it. Enjoy your unpleasant view of the (virtual) world and constant reporting about ridiculous things that waste a GM's time.
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    Rednight's Avatar
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    Red Night
    World
    Cerberus
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    IMO for Hunts there are actually 2 diffrent kinds of a reset, but it seems most people here throw them both in the same pot.

    1, A small party or someone solo found and started fighting a mark, then the zerg-train arrives and the mob gets reset and demolished in mere seconds.

    2, An unclaimed mark is found, announced in the LS, and with a few people around someone jumps the gun and pulls while countless people are still on the way, so someone else decides to reset the mob to buy the people on the way a bit more time to get there.

    I rarely hunt, but i never actually seen situation 1 on my server. And yes, i think if that happens it should be reported and punished. But i see nothing wrong with a reset in situation 2, especially when you consider that in most situations the person who "pulls early" is not the one who found the mark.
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    Krr's Avatar
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    Murah Jhida
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Attacking a mob in the open field is not griefing. Stealing one someone is busy fighting is. Sorry the zerg mindset isn't endorsed by the GMs.
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    video games are bad

  7. #7
    Player
    Yukiko's Avatar
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    Mar 2011
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    Limsa Nominsa
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    Character
    Yukihko Kuroshima
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 70
    I just wonder who braught up that rumor with the initial claim bonus on result calculation...
    For me its a lie and i am surprised how many fall for it...
    You cant get more than cap, so why bringing up that shit?
    Maybe just an excuse from those who dont like to wait for others and tryed to defend themselves!

    Dont missunderstand me, there may be a bonus, but you easily get the cap without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackoutz View Post
    Naja ich hab einfach gemerkt, dass man mit Mut und Freundlichkeit viel weiter kommt und den Menschen eine Freude macht :3
    Weißt du, wenn wir alle an einem Strang hier im Forum ziehen, dann kommen wir einfach so viel weiter und stärken die gesammte Community <3

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    Velo_Vandore's Avatar
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    Bynder Whitehowler
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 60
    Re-setting is unfair and should ideally be fixed by making the enemy go to the next person on the enmity list when the tank leaves the area. Furthermore, to prevent people using this as a survival tactic (i.e. i'll pull then run off before I die to get sneaky full credit) the person leaving the area should have their contribution set back to 0. We need to see a zone barrier appear as you approach it for fates though, so that re-setting isn't done accidentally by a player that's kiting.

    Failing this then yes I think re-setting is something that should be reported and stopped by GM's (warning's first to be fair).

    Original Poster, saying you are doing it because other people ask you to doesn't cut it. You have to think about what you're doing and make your own decisions. I know you are trying to help people, and there's pressure from many to re-set also, but it's not fair for those who engage the boss first to lose their accumulated credit this way. There is no such thing as an early pull. If a group pulls "early" then they die, the mob is reset anyway or the next players arriving will get the credit. If they can kill the boss without the additional players, then how is this considered early? There were enough players to do the job.

    The hunts are absolute garbage gameplay wise right now, and it's because we have swarms of players attempting to zerg every one. The attitude that people should wait for 100+ players to arrive is completely wrong. Anyone should be able to engage when they feel confident there are enough people to succeed. There are plenty of hunts out there, it's very greedy for players who want to get massive numbers of seals to go re-setting the mob and treading on the initial pull groups efforts.

    Overall, I think the incentive to spam hunts is too high, and this is a design issue. Why they give so many seals even without picking up the hunt bill is beyond my understanding. There should at least be a cap on seals per week so anyone can get a chance to participate, at least for their weekly elite bill.

    REWARDS FOR HUNTS ARE TOO DAMN HIGH!
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    Last edited by Velo_Vandore; 08-07-2014 at 08:12 PM.

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    Player
    Appleh4x's Avatar
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    Aka Kitsune
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 51
    All the people complaining here have the major problem of not wanting to play with other people in a massively multiplayer online game. If you want the most out of an MMO you have to be a bro, and bros share. If you want to play by yourself there are literally thousands of single player games for you to choose from on whatever platform you prefer (except ps4.) Notice that "massively" is the first word in MMO, 8 people =/= massive. If you want to have a good community you should do content with the whole server community, like hunts.
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  10. #10
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    Eckhart's Avatar
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    Raijin Fuujin
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Appleh4x View Post
    All the people complaining here have the major problem of not wanting to play with other people in a massively multiplayer online game. If you want the most out of an MMO you have to be a bro, and bros share. If you want to play by yourself there are literally thousands of single player games for you to choose from on whatever platform you prefer (except ps4.)
    Keep missing the point and cry some moar "bro."

    Did you read where I said I might want to play with my friends, maybe they are like 60, as in a FC or something?
    Just because it's an MMO I'm not forced to tag along 500 strangers just to kill a random spawned mob?

    Once again, go re-read the GM's post, and stop spilling nonsense, this has been cleared already.

    As far as I'm concerned I PAY the same as you every month, so stop talking like you way to play the game is more valid than mine.
    I'm a customer as much as you, and everytime the likes of you resets a mob and I lose credit, you are messing with my enjoyment.
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    Last edited by Eckhart; 08-07-2014 at 08:29 PM.

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