So resetting's against the rules now?

[Kiara1]

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

My thoughts about this is that if its possible in the game it shouls be allowed. If SE dont like it they should change the mechanic (like, the hunt doesnt get max hp back when its reset, enmity to 2nd highest or no possible way of resetting). I cant really read what the picture says cause im on my phone, but if its possible to report someone for it and it gets through its really weird. Its SEs responsibility to make it work. If its considered a glitch they shouldve fixed it weeks ago

[Ronyx]

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

Harrasment will be resting it because you are taking it away from someone who is fighting it. Pulling is not harrasment because it is a HUNT or when you are hunt animals in real life you wait for your competition to have a chance to get your target? So the person who find it have the right to pull it and kill it. He/she dont need to wait until the whole server arrives to kill it.

[whoopeeragon]

So the person who find it have the right to pull it and kill it. He/she dont need to wait until the whole server arrives to kill it.

Which is another issue. Too many times have I seen the person who finds it having the claim 'stolen' from them by some over-eager adventurer running over and pulling the mob way ahead of the person who found it planned to. Can that be considered griefing? I lump that kind of action with resets myself.

At the end, it comes down to human courtesy, and social rules. You don't cut in front of lines at the mall; you don't pull something you obviously didn't find and claim it for yourself.

[ispano]

Which is another issue. Too many times have I seen the person who finds it having the claim 'stolen' from them by some over-eager adventurer running over and pulling the mob way ahead of the person who found it planned to. Can that be considered griefing? I lump that kind of action with resets myself.

At the end, it comes down to human courtesy, and social rules. You don't cut in front of lines at the mall; you don't pull something you obviously didn't find and claim it for yourself.

In most cases, no it's not griefing. By waiting you're intentionally NOT claiming the mob. You have no rights to it until you do. So if they come in and attack it because you're waiting, you have no one to fault but yourself. Finding != Claiming. And there is no line, that analogy is ill suited for this situation.

[RaineMagus]

Which is another issue. Too many times have I seen the person who finds it having the claim 'stolen' from them by some over-eager adventurer running over and pulling the mob way ahead of the person who found it planned to. Can that be considered griefing? I lump that kind of action with resets myself.

At the end, it comes down to human courtesy, and social rules. You don't cut in front of lines at the mall; you don't pull something you obviously didn't find and claim it for yourself.

Unfortunately, finding a monster does not entitle you to the monster. It's not "yours" as far as the game is concerned, as that's purely a community / human invented courtesy (not in the game's design nor rules). So, I doubt that this is in itself griefing, pending the important word of "intent".

--It may be extremely rude to take a monster whenever the person or party who found it, has not. However, rude behavior isn't necessarily reprimandable behavior or a violation.


It's my hopes that the system is simply altered to 'compromise' on this, as I'm pretty sure this is ultimately the only way to make everyone happy.


EDIT 2:

In most cases, no it's not griefing. By waiting you're intentionally NOT claiming the mob. You have no rights to it until you do. So if they come in and attack it because you're waiting, you have no one to fault but yourself. Finding != Claiming. And there is no line, that analogy is ill suited for this situation.

Actually you have no right to it other than to your own credit for the kill, even if you were the first person to tag the mob. Mechanics wise at least, there is no claim system in XIV.

[ParadiseCircus]

Actually it only becomes griefing when you're abusing of a mechanic to steal or obtain credit for something that you didn't engage/attacked first (but not found), it's practically kill stealing, something that a lot devs have to take into consideration when developing online games but if you're hoping for game courtesy in a mmo especially in open world content welp.... good luck with that!

[Ooshima]

To me that part means that if I ever get talked to by a GM, even if it is just a talk, for pulling an enemy that is unclaimed and I am considered disrupting the play of others standing there not fighting the enemy is the day I cancel my subscription.

--Or put another way the act of pulling alone isn't necessarily wrong, yet perhaps with some motivation that's focused to intentionally incite anger ... it MIGHT be considered such. That's my impression.

Thanks for the explanation