So resetting's against the rules now?

[Marxam]

There's no such thing as an "early pull." This was developed as a thought by the people. It is not a real thing. If my group is there, I have no reason to wait, and it's not an early pull for my group. Not my fault people didn't react fast enough. Say what you will, but I'm not a people pleaser, and it's not my problem.

It's common courtesy. On my server it's an unwritten rule that for A's, the mark founder must state a "pull time" or it will be pulled roughly one hour eorzean time of it being found or until it starts disappearing. Once a pull time is stated people must wait until then to pull. Any earlier is considered an "early pull" and will most likely be subjected to the fantastic conversation posted in the OP. Those are the basis on which I determine if I should reset the mark. I'm not holding you to what you want to do with a mark but most people have enough crap to deal with when it comes to the hunts.

[AlexionSkylark]

Resetting is considered disruptive play regardless of the reason. It is against ToS and a serious offense. I would have to go back through the ToS, but there's a specific portion on disruptive game play. I was told by a GM this was a grief tactic, the reason is irrelevant.

As for this --


There's no such thing as an "early pull." This was developed as a thought by the people. It is not a real thing. If my group is there, I have no reason to wait, and it's not an early pull for my group. Not my fault people didn't react fast enough. Say what you will, but I'm not a people pleaser, and it's not my problem.

You must be fun at parties.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

There's no such thing as an "early pull." This was developed as a thought by the people. It is not a real thing. If my group is there, I have no reason to wait, and it's not an early pull for my group. Not my fault people didn't react fast enough. Say what you will, but I'm not a people pleaser, and it's not my problem.

Its an early pull if theres only a handful of people at an S rank.

[Dumbledoremd]

There's no such thing as an "early pull." This was developed as a thought by the people. It is not a real thing. If my group is there, I have no reason to wait, and it's not an early pull for my group. Not my fault people didn't react fast enough. Say what you will, but I'm not a people pleaser, and it's not my problem.

People like you that hunt are scum its called being polite to your fellow players

[Yumi_umi]

I like to pull marks and just run along doing my original business.
I pulled something that i won't actually participate lol. No one called me out which was quite the treat!

[UltimateAoe2]

People define "early pull" as around 30 seconds to when it was called out in your Linkshell/Shout/Free Company.

Again, there is no "real" early pull. You just happen to get there late when it was announced.

[monochromicorn]

if ou call out a time for the pull, which should be done, so that people are warned and can determine to risk getting there before the pull, and someone decides to do it before the determined time, early pull.

for most hunts that ive participated in, they announce the time in region for pull. if it is pulled early, the player is usually blacklisted and allowed to die.

[Mcshiggs]

I spoke to a GM about this, he told me that resetting is against ToS if there is anyone else fighting the enemy besides you and your group, but they have to be able to prove that you did it on purpose, so unless something in your chat logs tells them it was on purpose, like saying you are doing it, people telling or asking you to do it, it seems GMs will just overlook it, but he still said to report it every time you see it because if the same person is reported over and over that can act as proof as well and compound the punishment that they can recieve. Many times I've seen marks reset it wasn't even the sheep mob that found it, but of course they felt they were entitled to when the one that did find it shouted in the zone, so they send someone there to reset it so all 200 standing in town have time to finish their snacks and teleport over. If the person that pulled doesn't have a full group, or something happens when one of the douchebag sheep is resetting it, they could end up getting little or no credit once the 200 or so show up, so even if your intention was to help your group, a lot of times you are hurting others. This is harassment, and should be reported, I've gotten to whenever I see it, I ask in /say or /shout what was up with the reset, and every time I've gotten the response that it was so others would have time to get there, and that is the proof GMs need to see it was intentional when they get reported.

Seeing in the chat that your sheep mob didn't even find it, but you felt like the entire group that wasn't even "hunting" for that mark felt entitled to rewards, and you reset it after the people that found it pulled, it's clear in the chat that you did it on purpose, and some people didn't get any credit because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

[Eidolon]

t because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

[Mcshiggs]

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

Many times it hurts the people that were there, and it has been discussed on the forums at length. You can deny it all you want, but when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving. You say it sucked that it hurt people that were there, well it did, and you didn't think ahead, people can think, but at that time you weren't a single person, you were part of the mob, and the mob doesn't think, it is mindless.

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

It is harassment if it disrupts another's play, if someone is fighting a monster and you reset it, that is disrupting their play. If you are standing there and someone pulls, they didn't disrupt anything, you weren't doing anything to disrupt, and you can continue to stand there and wait for your group, the mob doesn't do this though, because the mob is greedy and mindless, unless it is a rank B, there is a good chance if you leave it alone that one person that pulled will die very soon, but as soon as the mob sees it change color, the greed sets in and 2 things happen, the douchebags try to reset, and the rest unload and forget their group, because if it's going to die, you are at least going to get yours.