So resetting's against the rules now?

[Mcshiggs]

I spoke to a GM about this, he told me that resetting is against ToS if there is anyone else fighting the enemy besides you and your group, but they have to be able to prove that you did it on purpose, so unless something in your chat logs tells them it was on purpose, like saying you are doing it, people telling or asking you to do it, it seems GMs will just overlook it, but he still said to report it every time you see it because if the same person is reported over and over that can act as proof as well and compound the punishment that they can recieve. Many times I've seen marks reset it wasn't even the sheep mob that found it, but of course they felt they were entitled to when the one that did find it shouted in the zone, so they send someone there to reset it so all 200 standing in town have time to finish their snacks and teleport over. If the person that pulled doesn't have a full group, or something happens when one of the douchebag sheep is resetting it, they could end up getting little or no credit once the 200 or so show up, so even if your intention was to help your group, a lot of times you are hurting others. This is harassment, and should be reported, I've gotten to whenever I see it, I ask in /say or /shout what was up with the reset, and every time I've gotten the response that it was so others would have time to get there, and that is the proof GMs need to see it was intentional when they get reported.

Seeing in the chat that your sheep mob didn't even find it, but you felt like the entire group that wasn't even "hunting" for that mark felt entitled to rewards, and you reset it after the people that found it pulled, it's clear in the chat that you did it on purpose, and some people didn't get any credit because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

[Eidolon]

t because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

[Mcshiggs]

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

Many times it hurts the people that were there, and it has been discussed on the forums at length. You can deny it all you want, but when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving. You say it sucked that it hurt people that were there, well it did, and you didn't think ahead, people can think, but at that time you weren't a single person, you were part of the mob, and the mob doesn't think, it is mindless.

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

It is harassment if it disrupts another's play, if someone is fighting a monster and you reset it, that is disrupting their play. If you are standing there and someone pulls, they didn't disrupt anything, you weren't doing anything to disrupt, and you can continue to stand there and wait for your group, the mob doesn't do this though, because the mob is greedy and mindless, unless it is a rank B, there is a good chance if you leave it alone that one person that pulled will die very soon, but as soon as the mob sees it change color, the greed sets in and 2 things happen, the douchebags try to reset, and the rest unload and forget their group, because if it's going to die, you are at least going to get yours.

[Eidolon]

Snippers~

My entire team, IIRc, was there for the mark. The reason I reset was to help people. Again, kindly do not be so insulting or insinuating - it is neither good for productive conversation, nor is it a benefit to either of us to speak in such a manner.

Not only that, keep in mind - some of my own members were hurt by the action, because -they- were petrified (Scroll down and you'll see where one of my party members were frustrated by it.)

Greed is not determined by the intentions of otehrs, as you would seem to believe. It is determined by the intention of the self. That is inherently why it is called greed.

Lastly, the forums discussing a topic is kinda surprising to me - I haven't seen it at all on my end.

[DeceptionsWrath]

I have reported 2 people for resetting and the last GM I spoke with said people can be suspended for such actions. I'll continue to report any who reset hunts that I have found and am currently fighting. These Linkshells that feel they can take any hunt they want and bully smaller hunting groups for their own gain are certainly in for a wakeup call.

[UltimateAoe2]

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You are going way too far with this.

[Ashkendor]

it's in an effort to help people.

Honestly, I think resetting in an effort to help is a little misguided. You may help the people that didn't get to the mark on time, but what of the people that were already fighting it? We already know the marks with larger models often have issues with disappearing once a bunch of people pile into the area. If someone's been there fighting the mob and you reset it so the zerg horde can show up to it, who's to say that everyone in the original group can even target the mob once it resets? Who's to say that once all those people pile on, they will be able to get full credit? I've had times where a mob has been reset and my subsequent participation reduced me to the minimum reward.

I found someone soloing the Leech King in Mor Dhona a bit ago; they had it at about 60%. I could have gone over and wrested aggro away from them and reset it, I suppose. Instead I sent out a shout to the zone then joined them. The fastest few got there and thanked me for the shout. A few people complained about the "fast pull" to which I answered that the mob was half dead when I shouted. *shrugs* Even when people are working together to find the marks, hunting is always going to be somewhat competitive in nature.

when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving.

That's... going a little far. I don't think everyone that resets a hunt mob does it because they're greedy. I think some people genuinely think that they're helping. It's kind of a no-win situation all around, though. You've got the people that didn't make it that are going to raise an enormous hue and cry on shout if you don't reset it, and you've got the people that DID make it whose participation you completely nullify if you do reset it.

Since resetting it can get you reported and leaving it alone can't, well you can guess which I do. >.>

[Ahmbor]

it is a hunt, not a waiting queue...

[Eidolon]

Honestly, I think resetting in an effort to help is a little misguided. You may help the people that didn't get to the mark on time, but what of the people that were already fighting it?

Mmmhm. This I can see as a good point - usually if someone's there from the start, it means if they have the 8 people they need to be able to get maximum contribution they will. But even so, I don't think I've ever seen a case where I lost contribution due to a reset (Or rather, my team was able to maintain it) but in a smaller party, it could definitely be such a rough situation.

I'll probably stop resetting from here on out. It's better not to put your own self at risk to help others. 'Can only help others once you can help yourself', right?

[Mcshiggs]

That's... going a little far. I don't think everyone that resets a hunt mob does it because they're greedy. I think some people genuinely think that they're helping.

Read the entire sentence, I said even if you aren't the greedy one, you are doing it to help the greedy one, so the reset was still caused by greed, even if it's not the greed of the one that reset it, the reason ultimately behind it was so the greedy person that thinks they deserve credit on everything that spawns in the world could get there for credit.