So resetting's against the rules now?

[Tchoc]

You honestly can't determined an early pull, as rough as it is the mob belongs to the person or party who tags it first. Any arrangement to wait or pull at a certain time is not actually binding by any rules. It certainly can't apply to people who did not tacitly agree to that. There are people who pull before a waiting team is ready to cause them grief, but there are other people who are just doing it to guarantee credit before too many people swarm the mob. Resetting is always going to inconvenience people who initially engaged the mob, whether they were the one pulling or just involved in the melee, possibly taking credit away from them entirely. Whether your intentions were good in resetting it is immaterial here.

Personally, I think there needs to be a "finders keepers" system, where by stumbling upon the hunt and 'flagging' it somehow the finder gets control of the mob, which allows them to dictate when the fight goes down and nobody else can touch it until they fire their first shot off. I'm sure someone will disagree vehemently about this somehow, but I think it's pretty clear that the mobs -should- belong to the discoverer.

[Mcshiggs]

I spoke to a GM about this, he told me that resetting is against ToS if there is anyone else fighting the enemy besides you and your group, but they have to be able to prove that you did it on purpose, so unless something in your chat logs tells them it was on purpose, like saying you are doing it, people telling or asking you to do it, it seems GMs will just overlook it, but he still said to report it every time you see it because if the same person is reported over and over that can act as proof as well and compound the punishment that they can recieve. Many times I've seen marks reset it wasn't even the sheep mob that found it, but of course they felt they were entitled to when the one that did find it shouted in the zone, so they send someone there to reset it so all 200 standing in town have time to finish their snacks and teleport over. If the person that pulled doesn't have a full group, or something happens when one of the douchebag sheep is resetting it, they could end up getting little or no credit once the 200 or so show up, so even if your intention was to help your group, a lot of times you are hurting others. This is harassment, and should be reported, I've gotten to whenever I see it, I ask in /say or /shout what was up with the reset, and every time I've gotten the response that it was so others would have time to get there, and that is the proof GMs need to see it was intentional when they get reported.

Seeing in the chat that your sheep mob didn't even find it, but you felt like the entire group that wasn't even "hunting" for that mark felt entitled to rewards, and you reset it after the people that found it pulled, it's clear in the chat that you did it on purpose, and some people didn't get any credit because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

[Eidolon]

t because of your greed, you deserve for GMs to take action against you.

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

[Kiara1]

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

My thoughts about this is that if its possible in the game it shouls be allowed. If SE dont like it they should change the mechanic (like, the hunt doesnt get max hp back when its reset, enmity to 2nd highest or no possible way of resetting). I cant really read what the picture says cause im on my phone, but if its possible to report someone for it and it gets through its really weird. Its SEs responsibility to make it work. If its considered a glitch they shouldve fixed it weeks ago

[Brine_Gildchaff]

There's no such thing as an "early pull." This was developed as a thought by the people. It is not a real thing. If my group is there, I have no reason to wait, and it's not an early pull for my group. Not my fault people didn't react fast enough. Say what you will, but I'm not a people pleaser, and it's not my problem.

What if it's not your group that did it, though? What if I find a mob, and I decide that I want to wait on a pull, shout, and let people join in... and then some random dragoon who's not part of my party suddenly runs by and decides he wants to faceroll the mob I decided I wanted to share? Is that acceptable to call an "early pull"?

[Mcshiggs]

Kindly do not assume or insult. :P I did not do what I did out of greed - I do it on all hunt mobs, because again, people -always- ask for it to be reset, and usually hunters that are there don't mind it being reset. I've not seen this subject come up before now, so if it's a new thing? I don't mind too much not resetting. Just means I can go WHM and focus on Medica/Medica II spam instead of WAR to focus on threatgen.

I won't deny I knowfully reset it, however, and if it comes to a GM taking a look at that, then indeed - I wouldn't be able to contest that point. I 100% will stand by my own actions, because again, not greed - it's in an effort to help people.

The thing that sucked was that it hurt the people who were there, because they got petrified by one of the marked AoE's and I hadn't realised that.

Many times it hurts the people that were there, and it has been discussed on the forums at length. You can deny it all you want, but when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving. You say it sucked that it hurt people that were there, well it did, and you didn't think ahead, people can think, but at that time you weren't a single person, you were part of the mob, and the mob doesn't think, it is mindless.

I find it weird that resetting is called harrasment, in that case early pulling should be called that too.

It is harassment if it disrupts another's play, if someone is fighting a monster and you reset it, that is disrupting their play. If you are standing there and someone pulls, they didn't disrupt anything, you weren't doing anything to disrupt, and you can continue to stand there and wait for your group, the mob doesn't do this though, because the mob is greedy and mindless, unless it is a rank B, there is a good chance if you leave it alone that one person that pulled will die very soon, but as soon as the mob sees it change color, the greed sets in and 2 things happen, the douchebags try to reset, and the rest unload and forget their group, because if it's going to die, you are at least going to get yours.

[kidvideo]

So if I run through, say, the Sylphlands on my choco & something agros me... my egi stops to deal with it but I keep going. Egi withdraws & the mob goes back to doing what it was doing. Is that resetting? Will the Touched Ones report this one for harassment?

[Ashkendor]

it's in an effort to help people.

Honestly, I think resetting in an effort to help is a little misguided. You may help the people that didn't get to the mark on time, but what of the people that were already fighting it? We already know the marks with larger models often have issues with disappearing once a bunch of people pile into the area. If someone's been there fighting the mob and you reset it so the zerg horde can show up to it, who's to say that everyone in the original group can even target the mob once it resets? Who's to say that once all those people pile on, they will be able to get full credit? I've had times where a mob has been reset and my subsequent participation reduced me to the minimum reward.

I found someone soloing the Leech King in Mor Dhona a bit ago; they had it at about 60%. I could have gone over and wrested aggro away from them and reset it, I suppose. Instead I sent out a shout to the zone then joined them. The fastest few got there and thanked me for the shout. A few people complained about the "fast pull" to which I answered that the mob was half dead when I shouted. *shrugs* Even when people are working together to find the marks, hunting is always going to be somewhat competitive in nature.

when you reset it is out of greed and greed only, people not there think they deserve credit, so even if you aren't the greedy douchebag that think you are entitled to every mark that spawns, you group with said douchebags, you help them, and you benefit from them, so in my eyes you are the same, and I have a term for it, it is douchebaggery by receiving.

That's... going a little far. I don't think everyone that resets a hunt mob does it because they're greedy. I think some people genuinely think that they're helping. It's kind of a no-win situation all around, though. You've got the people that didn't make it that are going to raise an enormous hue and cry on shout if you don't reset it, and you've got the people that DID make it whose participation you completely nullify if you do reset it.

Since resetting it can get you reported and leaving it alone can't, well you can guess which I do. >.>

[Ahmbor]

it is a hunt, not a waiting queue...

[Eidolon]

Snippers~

My entire team, IIRc, was there for the mark. The reason I reset was to help people. Again, kindly do not be so insulting or insinuating - it is neither good for productive conversation, nor is it a benefit to either of us to speak in such a manner.

Not only that, keep in mind - some of my own members were hurt by the action, because -they- were petrified (Scroll down and you'll see where one of my party members were frustrated by it.)

Greed is not determined by the intentions of otehrs, as you would seem to believe. It is determined by the intention of the self. That is inherently why it is called greed.

Lastly, the forums discussing a topic is kinda surprising to me - I haven't seen it at all on my end.