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    Kinseykinz's Avatar
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    Isagael Rose
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    A party with 3 healers will win against a party with 1 healer every time.
    Wrong, I've outlasted this setup several times as a solo healer. The key is having a party with solidly skilled DPS/Tanks that can pressure the other side/keep me protected enough that we can outlast their healers....People like to point out how well healers can heal, and miss the fast that most of the time, the battle is a stalemate....meaning no one's dying but no one's being creamed either, the team with the flag is simply the one that keeps the most bodies closest to it.


    More to the OP's point:

    If you can't burn down a 3-healer team, when that means the most dps they have is 5 against your 7 dps team, then your dps failed....You simply didn't apply pressure to all 3 healers at the same time and concentrate one down. But again, a good tank+melee dd can duo burn a healer down in under 10 seconds...w/o a LB.

    Now if healers could DPS at the same output as a dedicated DD+heal, then you'd have a point. But really,anyone who thinks healing is 'easy' and 'OP' in Frontlines, should roll healer, and see just how 'easy' it is.
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    Last edited by Kinseykinz; 08-05-2014 at 09:34 AM.

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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinseykinz View Post
    But really, if you think healing is 'easy' and 'OP' in Frontlines, then maybe you should roll healer, and see just how 'easy' it is.
    I have all classes 50, healed in PvP. Maybe you should check people's classes before assuming they didn't play them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    I have all classes 50, healed in PvP. Maybe you should check people's classes before assuming they didn't play them.

    Right...because leveling everything makes you an expert.... furthermore, I was in the middle of editing and wasn't directing that at you specifically.

    Still point stands, if healers were truly OP, then all we'd see in Frontlines is Healerx8 parties etc. It is RARE to have more than 2 healers in any given party. And judging how easily this community joins in on 'flavor of the month' club things, I am positive that enough time has passed that if Healer roles were the 'OP' build for frontlines, more people would be rolling them by now. ( I mean how long did it take for servers to blow up over the 'free candy!' sign that was hunts).

    So again, if healing is the 'Easy' button people claim it is for victory, then more people should play it. ...or admit, it's NOT as easy as they claim, and spend more energy figuring out how to burn down said healer teams instead of whining about them.
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    Zell Squallian
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    Kinseykinz, You cant call someone out claiming they need experience they tell them that there experience doesnt matter :/ And to your second point I think you are greatly over estimating the player based, of those players that are left pvping from my experience they are more interested in trying to be ranged dps superstars as they want the kills, as mentioned here previously by some that they would much rather play another role than heal despite it being so strong.
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    Mint Chocolate
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Healers have insane numbers on the roster at the end of a match because overhealing counts towards the sum, does it not? I can easily get 200k worth of healing done by spamming Medica II in the two minutes before the match starts. Every heal registers as a full heal regardless of how much HP the target is at whereas DPS actually have to do damage to something to register any numbers.

    So, if you're only looking at the chart's numbers to determine how overpowered healers are, well............
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    Pink Logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by hours View Post
    Healers have insane numbers on the roster at the end of a match because overhealing counts towards the sum, does it not? I can easily get 200k worth of healing done by spamming Medica II in the two minutes before the match starts.
    Yea i've seen healers doing this, mainly WHMs. Today while waiting for drones on the platform, and no enemy players around us, the WHM on my team was consistently casting Medica II over and over again when we weren't even fighting and everyone was at full hp. checked the board at the end of the match and it showed him at 283k healing done. silly WHMs trying to pad meters.
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Pretty much every number on the results screen is meaningless/undervalued/padded.
    • Kills only count who got the final blow not whoever did the majority of the damage that allowed the kill and killing a Scholar or Summoner gets you two kills if their pet is alive.
    • Damage mitigated is unlisted so the effects of abilities such as Stoneskin, Succor, Adloquium, Cover and Testudo are not fully counted in the final results.
    • The increased damage granted to other players by abilities such as Full Swing, Storm's Eye, Disembowel and Dragon Kick is not tallied to the inflicter of the debuff, but to whomever made the attack that got the benefit of the debuff.
    • And as previously mentioned, overhealed damage is tallied padding the healing totals.
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    T'rahnu Ihka
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by hours View Post
    Healers have insane numbers on the roster at the end of a match because overhealing counts towards the sum, does it not? I can easily get 200k worth of healing done by spamming Medica II in the two minutes before the match starts. Every heal registers as a full heal regardless of how much HP the target is at whereas DPS actually have to do damage to something to register any numbers.

    So, if you're only looking at the chart's numbers to determine how overpowered healers are, well............
    If this is the case, it really, really needs to be fixed. The whole point of the chart is to give an idea of someone's contribution to the team, and overhealing is obviously not contributing a damn thing.
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    Kaishen Commodore
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyrusticae View Post
    If this is the case, it really, really needs to be fixed. The whole point of the chart is to give an idea of someone's contribution to the team, and overhealing is obviously not contributing a damn thing.
    The charts are useless. What'd be more applicable is a listing of each party's total contribution of points from flags they've capped, drones/nodes destroyed, and points from their total combined kills.

    It's never about the individual.
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