Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Noxotic]

So each stat (DET, CRIT, Sk Spd) all add part of a single STR point along with the bonus effect (higher crit rate/faster attacks) correct? I'm messing around with some sets on Ariyala's calculator, and I have a decent amount of DET after shaving off some Skill Speed, but if Skill Speed is worth 0.178 of a STR point, the net loss from Skill Speed is greater than the gain from DET, so is it really with it to shave THAT much Skill Speed? I know it burns through TP faster, but if it also adds some STR, then should I just try to stick to the BiS as calculated by the calculator? Not super good with these calculations yet haha.

[VladTepes]

So each stat (DET, CRIT, Sk Spd) all add part of a single STR point along with the bonus effect (higher crit rate/faster attacks) correct? I'm messing around with some sets on Ariyala's calculator, and I have a decent amount of DET after shaving off some Skill Speed, but if Skill Speed is worth 0.178 of a STR point, the net loss from Skill Speed is greater than the gain from DET, so is it really with it to shave THAT much Skill Speed? I know it burns through TP faster, but if it also adds some STR, then should I just try to stick to the BiS as calculated by the calculator? Not super good with these calculations yet haha.

It doesn't "add" STR. Secondary stats are a FLAT value. Future endgame, secondary stats will be a lot lower than STR value since STR acts like a multiplier to Weapon DMG and vice versa.

[Noxotic]

It doesn't "add" STR. Secondary stats are a FLAT value. Future endgame, secondary stats will be a lot lower than STR value since STR acts like a multiplier to Weapon DMG and vice versa.

Det, Crit and SkS don't add any STR or anything. They each have their own effect, as described, which directly/indirectly increase dps.

Det increases damage done, physical or magical, as well as HP healed. Crit increases your crit rate. SkS reduces your GCD and cast time for casters.

The stat weights you see floating around are a measure of how much 1 point in these stats increases your DPS relative to 1 point of STR. For example, 1 point of Crit will increase your crit rate a small amount, which will result in increased dps due to an extra Crit over a certain duration. The weight represents how much this theoretical increase is compared to the direct increase granted by a single point of STR.

First of all, thank you both. So if I were to lower the value of Skill Speed in Ariyala's calculator to even lower or even 0 so I can have higher set, it's not a loss in STR then? Also, what is generally considered the low end cap for skill speed, like the minimum you would have it go so that it's not detrimental to your overall rotation? Cause if I drop skill speed to 0 in the calculator, it'll drop significantly and I wanna make sure it's not a detrimental choice since I've misunderstood stat weights apparently.

[Serwrathim]

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The stat values have been calculated to allow you to determine a certain piece of equipments performance as compared with another piece of the same ilvl. Essentially, with weaps, if one has a higher ilvl the attack value is so much higher (unless you need the accuracy on an item)always use the higher ilvl. There a few rare circumstances such as with atma wraps or really bad bard bow...
As far as regular equipment, generally the str increase between ilvls will always be better than the combination of the secondary stats. So once again, unless you really need the accuracy always go with the higher ilvl. Now if you have two items with same ilvl, this is when the secondary stats come into play. Use their values to find the value of your gear and you will know which one is better to start modeling around Eorzea.

[Lucael_Shikaree]

The stat values have been calculated to allow you to determine a certain piece of equipments performance as compared with another piece of the same ilvl. As far as regular equipment, generally the str increase between ilvls will always be better than the combination of the secondary stats.

This is not how the stats weights are used. The stat weights are useful *especially* to compare different ILVL equipments. That's why Wyrm Mail and Wolfram Cuirass (ILVL90) are considered better than Weathered Astrum Mail (LVL100) or Ramuh Ring (ILVL100) wins over ILVL 110 rings. And really you wouldn't need theorycrafting to choose between equipment in the same ILVL range.

As far as regular equipment, generally the str increase between ilvls will always be better than the combination of the secondary stats.

In a stats weights scenario, this is a false statement.

[whiskeybravo]

Two short questions.

After what attack I should use STR potions to make best use of them?

Is Ramuh ring better than the High Allagan one?

1) HT - (B4B) - Imp - (IR) - Dis - (Str Pot) - CT - (something) - Phleb - etc

2) Yes.

[Serwrathim]

This is not how the stats weights are used. The stat weights are useful *especially* to compare different ILVL equipments. That's why Wyrm Mail and Wolfram Cuirass (ILVL90) are considered better than Weathered Astrum Mail (LVL100) or Ramuh Ring (ILVL100) wins over ILVL 110 rings. And really you wouldn't need theorycrafting to choose between equipment in the same ILVL range.

In a stats weights scenario, this is a false statement.

Hence the word "Generally"....unless you need accuracy, "Generally" the STR increase overcomes the secondary stats.