Tank disrespect.

[LionKing]

Hmmm...Wait did I over pull where only there are 4-5 mobs on me at max? Full ilv90 Armor slots plus Dual Hakken, only my accessory slot was for SB, if you are saying that this is inferior, so I suppose the ilv that recommended for the Duns by SE was WAY WAY WAY low... I don't think SE just choose a random number to put up as ILV minimum requirement for the Duns...

@silvach: On paper, yes that sounds about right. However, when apply to a practical run, there are a lot of problems that are presented strictly speaking as Paladin:

1/ The only tool available for Paladin for AOE aggro holding is Flash. And yes, the durations are just like you listed each time you re-apply. However, if you actually did wait for the full duration of Blind to go off before you re-apply, you will have a very hard time to hold aggro against any decent DPS that does AOE dams, let alone BLM. You also risk of losing the aggro to the healer as well in the process. Therefore, to really maintain a strong and firm aggro on a bunch of mobs, Paladin has no choice but to spam flash continuously while either doing the Halone Combo on mobs or the Riot Combo to maintain the MP for more Flash. As a result, 12+6+3 sec for full duration blinding is not applicable.

2/ I normally don't stun the mobs for any AOE pull because it is not effective. First, it really kills your TP if your DPS do a bad job at DPSing, second, you risk of losing aggro on mobs because you could use that 2.5 sec to do Flash or doing the combo. Furthermore, Shield Bash does break your combo as well.

3/Stoneskin is my last resort when it comes to mitigate the damages. I usually go through the list of all my defensive CD before actually stop and casting Stoneskin but normally, I don't have to do that if it is just a Duns run because mobs usually are dead before I run out of all my defensive CD.

That is how I tanked as Paladin.

[Killabye]

theres times when youre tanking and your solo attacking each mob, switching every attack. why are we bad tanks if we lose aggro but theyre not bad dps if they take it? ive been on a three mob and had all dps solo targeting their own target. fine, let em kill you lol

[Llyren]

theres times when youre tanking and your solo attacking each mob, switching every attack. why are we bad tanks if we lose aggro but theyre not bad dps if they take it? ive been on a three mob and had all dps solo targeting their own target. fine, let em kill you lol

We are only bad Tanks if Healer takes aggro and dies. If DPS dies it is their own fault.

[stoxastic]

Tanks shouldn't be losing aggro ever on trash mobs unless they are significantly undergeared. If DPS is pulling mobs from you and they don't overgear you, you need to keep an eye on the enmity bars are keep the hate accordingly.

[Souljacker]

Tanks shouldn't be losing aggro ever on trash mobs unless they are significantly undergeared. If DPS is pulling mobs from you and they don't overgear you, you need to keep an eye on the enmity bars are keep the hate accordingly.

You need to read the thread.

[Ashkendor]

Hmmm...Wait did I over pull where only there are 4-5 mobs on me at max? Full ilv90 Armor slots plus Dual Hakken, only my accessory slot was for SB, if you are saying that this is inferior, so I suppose the ilv that recommended for the Duns by SE was WAY WAY WAY low... I don't think SE just choose a random number to put up as ILV minimum requirement for the Duns...

To be fair, the item level requirement for those dungeons is 70. At 84 you aren't so far above it that you can start pulling multiple spawns without making things more difficult for the rest of the party, especially your healer. You'd probably be able to do it if you weren't wearing level 49 accessories, though.

Spiritbonding those in open world is pretty easy, for what it's worth.

[Killabye]

the acc thing, just me, sb is bs. if yore sbing and noone else is it slows things down a lot. as tank ill just stare at a player the request kick if its blatant and rude, if everyone else is geared for sr and you come in with 49 acc its gonna upset people, me being one of them. pf if youre gonna sb, dont slow down a good party over your game

[Maero]

We are only bad Tanks if Healer takes aggro and dies. If DPS dies it is their own fault.

That would be wrong, your a bad tank if you do large pulls, dps like some of us black mages use Quelling before attacking and you cannot hold agro and in turn dps dies as they get the agro.
That would be signs of a bad tank. As blm it is expecting to aoe so we hit every enemy. With 10 or more mobs it's not like your marking targets and dps will hit enemies one at a time.
Comments like that i can see why such a thread would be made really. But those of you who are great tanks, your awesome

[dramamine]

the acc thing, just me, sb is bs. if yore sbing and noone else is it slows things down a lot. as tank ill just stare at a player the request kick if its blatant and rude, if everyone else is geared for sr and you come in with 49 acc its gonna upset people, me being one of them. pf if youre gonna sb, dont slow down a good party over your game

Eh, a player with appropriate level 49 accessories and 90-110 left side gear is less of a drain on a party than someone with 50-60 left side gear, and 90-100 accessories. And a player SBing that knows how to play their character is far more effective than a player decked out but clueless.

It doesn't make sense to harass someone just because you think they'll be bad.

[Llyren]

That would be wrong, your a bad tank if you do large pulls, dps like some of us black mages use Quelling before attacking and you cannot hold agro and in turn dps dies as they get the agro.
That would be signs of a bad tank. As blm it is expecting to aoe so we hit every enemy. With 10 or more mobs it's not like your marking targets and dps will hit enemies one at a time.
Comments like that i can see why such a thread would be made really. But those of you who are great tanks, your awesome

Every time a DPS dies an Angel gets its wings. =D

As a DPS you are expected to produce maximum dps, without taking aggro, to as many mobs as possible. This may mean for some Tanks, you have to limit your output. This does not mean that the Tank is bad, though they may be bad. The Tank is bad when the Healer is dying from Aggro anywhere near the Tank.

The DPS is bad when they take aggro, or the healer runs out of mana, or it rains, or anyone else in the party is in a bad mood, and on every day without a Z in it.

The Healer is never bad, they just had to go do something real quick