Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
And here we have the real arguement. This isn't about the game being 'too simple' or 'watered down', it's simply because this game is popular and thus, the cynical, jaded and horribly self-entitled 'FFXI/1.0 veterans' as you term yourself are now nothing more than little fish in a very big and crowded pond. Oh boohoo. The sum total of a handful of hipster gamers who pine for the days of Everquest and earlier do not pay game developers' bills. If ARR hadn't been developed to appeal to a wider demographic, then Square Enix would have gone down the gurgler, and would have taken both your beloved FFXIV version 1.0, and FFXI, down with it. And then where would you have all been?
Please don't attack peoples character based on assumption.

You're both frustrated with each other for wanting gameplay you both oppose. But you're not a worse gamer for wanting accessibility, and Zan isn't an egotist for wanting more complex gameplay.
He and many others are frustrated because there really aren't any games that embrace that sort of complexity or depth anymore. Even FF11 is a shell of what it once was. Companies seem to be embracing the same route of appealing to as many people as possible with little change that it's becoming boring and stale for him. In embracing the lowest common, they loose the parts that make them unique and interesting.

Personal attacks will get us nowhere. Please don't assume that because one person doesn't like something that they fall into some demonized category.
That goes for all of us.

Also, what is a gurgler?