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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    they are please the majority, so do the maths.
    I know it might be hard to grasp but this TED talk sums it up pretty well. Most people don't actually know what they want.

    Wether you like it or not I'll continue to march on for what I feel is enjoyable gameplay, what I've experienced and found to be the best way to play. Personally I find the convient method is while in all ways more convienent I feel we sacrifice too much for it.

    You don't have to agree with me, you just can't tell me to stop.

    It's true you can't please everyone, but there is no data backing you up on saying the "Majority" is pleased, thats a pretty broad term your throwing out there and is outside the scope of people that are willing to pay to play this game. Your pretending you know a unknown.

    I'm not trying to hide behind the invisible majority, all my opinions are mine and mine alone. People can agree or dissagree and that's how you form a proper discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anatha View Post
    Stop trying to make people play the way you want them to. Know your place.
    Sorry people for this but i need to say it...

    Just who the hell do you think you are to tell people to know their place?
    No one showed any disrespect nor aggressive behavior toward you nor anyone here and yet you dare to tell people to know their place?

    that's all that need to be said in reply to people who talk to others like they are superior to them.

    that and the fact that your post is useless, you're far from being the first person to say that there is no need to force things upon others, there has been 17 (now 21) pages of that.
    if you wanna be rude, do it smartly.

    sorry again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Because not every game is for everyone. Those who left didn't like aspects of the game. Those who play are happy with them. Theres a helluva lot more playing than left because of teleports. So if they removed teleports for those who left. How many would you think would leave if they did? Probably more than what they would get back.

    Just because you had to "walk uphill both ways through torrential snow and wind" (figuratively) in FFXI, doesn't mean you have to in every other game.

    You can't please everyone, and teleports as they are please the majority, so do the maths.
    This is by far and large an inaccurate statement.

    Both the forums and in game communication have shown that among those playing there are still a number of people unhappy with various game systems and features that we have at the moment, the people who left the game are mostly those who decided to speak with their wallets.

    There are a number of players who do like some aspects of the game but generally dislike and are unhappy with others. Many of those players however are willing to stay for the features they like while they wait for the features they dislike to be improved or removed altogether in the future. This is where community communication generally helps, but there are plenty who will simply say nothing at all and wait it out.

    While i won't sit here and advocate for old-school uphill both ways forms of travel, it's been obvious since launch that:

    Small zones + Ease of travel + Open world zergable content = Massive issues dealing with both server stress and player attitudes

    This has been apparent since Odin / Behemoth and has shown no signs of improvement with hunts

    Also until data can be provided by a reliable source (See SE's numbers and i mean actual reflective numbers not PR inflation) lets stop throwing words around like "Majority" in half of these threads as it's simply a word that cannot be backed up with the data we've been given.
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    I am in favor of this idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    It's true you can't please everyone, but there is no data backing you up on saying the "Majority" is pleased, thats a pretty broad term your throwing out there and is outside the scope of people that are willing to pay to play this game. Your pretending you know a unknown.
    I'm going on the numbers playing. According to SE the numbers have been increasing.

    The solution to get more people around in the world is not to remove convenience but to give them exciting and interesting reasons to want to and to keep wanting to go around the world on foot. Which they have made a start with utilizing hunts, treasure maps (hope they become better and tougher as time goes on) people, at least on Odin, are still doing Fates in quite a few zones.

    Agree on the discussion part, just too many think their opinion is law and anyone who disagrees is "trolling".
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    for this i agree, removing the aetherites without giving interesting content in the maps is plain useless, i mean now, had it been like that since the beginning i wouldn't say but the problem is that a lot of content like hunt that are flawed right from the beginning (even tho it's not like they had expected it to become like this) are enough to make people who were frustrated about the poor open world we have atm even more frustrated and don't even want to give it a second chance.

    I know people who refused marks i had found and was alone on it just because their first experience with it was bad.
    Like ryel said, many stay even tho they are unhappy with the game as it is, so on one hand we have a silent majority that is have different opinions, and the other the loud minority who seem to pretty much have the same opinion, not on all subject but on many.

    so what should a producer/developer do? satisfy the loud minority or avoid rubbing the wrong way the silent majority ?

    From that point on it's a gamble, either you hit jackpot and the silent majority mainly likes it, or it's a total fail and the silent majority no longer stay silent, not for good reasons.
    You simply can't ask yoshi-p and the gang who are, for now, playing the safe card to take such a risk.
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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryel View Post
    There are a number of players who do like some aspects of the game but generally dislike and are unhappy with others. Many of those players however are willing to stay for the features they like while they wait for the features they dislike to be improved or removed altogether in the future. This is where community communication generally helps, but there are plenty who will simply say nothing at all and wait it out.
    I thought would have been obvious when I made an example of wolves den, that I don't like it thus do not partake of that content. Really didn't think I would have to explicity state that of course not everyone likes 100% of what is in FFXIV, but they enjoy, I'd hope, enough of the game to make it worth their subscription money. Some don't like tough content, should they remove coil or make it like Crystal tower? No, tough content appeals to some, theres CT for those who want a more relaxed raiding environment. Theres lots of choice with more options incoming for players, doesn't mean that they will or even able to make it that 100% of the playerbase enjoys 100% of the content, thats totally unreasonable from anyones viewpoint.

    Should they remove PvP because some don't like it? No. Should they make all content for hardcore raiders? No. Or should they remove coil for the players who don't like it either? No. And should they remove optional teleports because some want others to play how they want them to play? Still a no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Some don't like tough content, should they remove coil or make it like Crystal tower? No, tough content appeals to some, theres CT for those who want a more relaxed raiding environment. Theres lots of choice with more options incoming for players, doesn't mean that they will or even able to make it that 100% of the playerbase enjoys 100% of the content, thats totally unreasonable from anyones viewpoint.

    Should they remove PvP because some don't like it? No. Should they make all content for hardcore raiders? No. Or should they remove coil for the players who don't like it either? No. And should they remove optional teleports because some want others to play how they want them to play? Still a no.
    this, while i mainly agree with what you say, the thing is that if yoshi keeps trying to appeal both side, he'll brush off both sides one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    I thought would have been obvious when I made an example of wolves den, that I don't like it thus do not partake of that content. Really didn't think I would have to explicity state that of course not everyone likes 100% of what is in FFXIV, but they enjoy, I'd hope, enough of the game to make it worth their subscription money. Some don't like tough content, should they remove coil or make it like Crystal tower? No, tough content appeals to some, theres CT for those who want a more relaxed raiding environment. Theres lots of choice with more options incoming for players, doesn't mean that they will or even able to make it that 100% of the playerbase enjoys 100% of the content, thats totally unreasonable from anyones viewpoint.

    Should they remove PvP because some don't like it? No. Should they make all content for hardcore raiders? No. Or should they remove coil for the players who don't like it either? No. And should they remove optional teleports because some want others to play how they want them to play? Still a no.
    Which is why your statements are reflective of your personal opinion and not the voice of the "majority" and why blanket statements on players staying and leaving are irrelevant to this topic.

    It would have been much more honest of you to simply say "I personally am not in favor of changing the teleport system as it currently stands" than to act like a community rep speaking as if you had actual numbers indicating the preferences of a "majority"

    Don't get me wrong here, there aren't any hard feelings behind this by any means, but it does topics / suggestions like this no justice to claim one thing when you're personally speaking about another.
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    Why not also removing all mounts?
    And keep Chocobo as a not rideable companion?
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