Adding fuel to the fire, Summoner's future

[Estevo]

Allowing the Egis to evolve with stronger abilities and resemble the the Primals scaled down to human height is about the quality of progression while getting new ilvl gear and increasing stats is about the quantity of progression.

Exactly, I just feel like I'm seeing more quantity improvements and less quality improvements at the moment, but you know it makes sense, they want to give the game a foundation with new content, etc. and I can respect that. I'm just trying to put ideas out there for when quality becomes more relevant.

[Rex]

It's probably strange but I'm going to use pokemon as an example to explain my ideas for the future to come. Right now Ifrit egi is in every way a Charmander, a pre-evolved pokemon. Titan is close to a Geodude, and Garuda is similar to a Pidgey, even in their abilities they can be compared, and I'm guessing when they are added Leviathan will be a Squirtle and Ramuh a Pikachu. As the level cap grows, I'm hoping our summoners abilities will grow too, lore-wise I mean, to take on the giant dragons/other big baddies coming our way. To me, it would be pretty silly to take on one of those legendary Pokemon with a CHARMANDER, so as the summoners become more powerful, they would become able to extract larger amounts of essence from the primals, and essentially, we could have evolved forms of the egis we have now, with stronger abilities and forms. No not HUGE primals, still referencing Pokemon here, the final evolved form of Charmander is still only about the height of a human.

If we're going to talk Pokemon here, then my response to you is what I've always felt Summoner should have..which is a unique Limit Break that "transformed" their current pet into an "almost lifesized" version of the actual Primal and used their "ultimate"...and I guess in Pokemon talk, it'd be like a short and sweet mega evolution.

[Rex]

We understand just fine. But having Egi that were the size of, say a Hyur or a Roegadyn, isn't going to cause the game to collapse into itself like the Hunt currently does. Also, as I've mentioned in previous threads, changing the size of monsters and spell effects is not without precedent, as they did just that in patches 1.16 and 1.17 because people complained that monsters weren't "intimidating" enough, and spells didn't look "flashy" enough.

I'll agree that they don't feel intimidating. But I know that it has already been said that they decided to go with the smaller form factor and not making them the size of a Hyur or Roegadyn because of the reasons I already stated.

[Kazumac]

I feel like they shouldn't have been a pet class. I think that it would have been more interesting to have larger damage spells (with a cool down) that summon a primal who came out and did the attack and left. Much like summoner's in previous non MMO FFs. Then our filler dps our spells could have taken on aspects of the primal attacks or something like that. I realize that mechanically this would have a much larger over lap with BLM and would probably not be a desire able game design... But SMN and BLM have always had a slight role over lap in FF games.

Anyways I think the current design is quite solid for the class... I just don't feel like they nailed it for designing SMN (and seriously please no FFXI type of SMN. Their only saving grace was it was cool to see the summon. The game play for them was quite uninspired)

[Akiza]

I'll agree that they don't feel intimidating. But I know that it has already been said that they decided to go with the smaller form factor and not making them the size of a Hyur or Roegadyn because of the reasons I already stated.

Making the Egis the size of a Hyur or Roegadyn will take less resources and a strain on the servers then hunts when 300 players are occupying one small area.

[Mjytresz]

Patch 2.4 - Summoner Changes:

-Summoner has been renamed to "Warlock"
-Egis have been renamed to "Minions"
-Warlock's "Energy Drain" has been removed entirely
-Warlocks now have a channeled HP/MP Draining skill

I played Warlock in WoW. I wanted a real Summoner. Give me a real summoner. :|

[Sen_Terrechant]

Hey, another misinformed thread with people that have 0 clue about balance or game design coming to bitch about what they want!

Sweet, we dont have like 100 of this threads already or anything!

[Estevo]

Hey, another misinformed thread with people that have 0 clue about balance or game design coming to bitch about what they want!

Sweet, we dont have like 100 of this threads already or anything!

"we will not let the game be held back by preconceived notions of what an MMORPG should be. Instead, we will challenge ourselves to innovate, providing our players with a game truly befitting the FINAL FANTASY title." Quote directly from Yoshi P's live letter

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...808-27-2013%29

...just saying.

[AlexPayne]

So do we also want to eliminate tanks using aggro abilties and healers throwing those cure spells because other games have done it too? Or are we just cherrypicking one class?

Complaining that a class uses the same types of abilities as seen in other games of the same genre is plain stupid. It's like moaning that every FPS has at least one rifle in it. Well, duh, it's a shooter, get used to it.

They could have just as easily NOT had the SMN or SCH class in this game. Then what would people harp about incessantly? Dragoon? Monk?

[Akiza]

So do we also want to eliminate tanks using aggro abilties and healers throwing those cure spells because other games have done it too? Or are we just cherrypicking one class?

Complaining that a class uses the same types of abilities as seen in other games of the same genre is plain stupid. It's like moaning that every FPS has at least one rifle in it. Well, duh, it's a shooter, get used to it.

They could have just as easily NOT had the SMN or SCH class in this game. Then what would people harp about incessantly? Dragoon? Monk?

Then they would complain there in not a SMN or SCH in the game.