Adding fuel to the fire, Summoner's future

[Mjytresz]

Patch 2.4 - Summoner Changes:

-Summoner has been renamed to "Warlock"
-Egis have been renamed to "Minions"
-Warlock's "Energy Drain" has been removed entirely
-Warlocks now have a channeled HP/MP Draining skill

I played Warlock in WoW. I wanted a real Summoner. Give me a real summoner. :|

[Sen_Terrechant]

Hey, another misinformed thread with people that have 0 clue about balance or game design coming to bitch about what they want!

Sweet, we dont have like 100 of this threads already or anything!

[Estevo]

Hey, another misinformed thread with people that have 0 clue about balance or game design coming to bitch about what they want!

Sweet, we dont have like 100 of this threads already or anything!

"we will not let the game be held back by preconceived notions of what an MMORPG should be. Instead, we will challenge ourselves to innovate, providing our players with a game truly befitting the FINAL FANTASY title." Quote directly from Yoshi P's live letter

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...808-27-2013%29

...just saying.

[AlexPayne]

So do we also want to eliminate tanks using aggro abilties and healers throwing those cure spells because other games have done it too? Or are we just cherrypicking one class?

Complaining that a class uses the same types of abilities as seen in other games of the same genre is plain stupid. It's like moaning that every FPS has at least one rifle in it. Well, duh, it's a shooter, get used to it.

They could have just as easily NOT had the SMN or SCH class in this game. Then what would people harp about incessantly? Dragoon? Monk?

[Akiza]

So do we also want to eliminate tanks using aggro abilties and healers throwing those cure spells because other games have done it too? Or are we just cherrypicking one class?

Complaining that a class uses the same types of abilities as seen in other games of the same genre is plain stupid. It's like moaning that every FPS has at least one rifle in it. Well, duh, it's a shooter, get used to it.

They could have just as easily NOT had the SMN or SCH class in this game. Then what would people harp about incessantly? Dragoon? Monk?

Then they would complain there in not a SMN or SCH in the game.

[Rydia13]

Why oh why must there be 500 threads on the same tired topic. I'm a hardcore SMN fan and I think the job is fine outside of a laughable Egi. When they make LBs job specific soonish I'm sure we'll be able to do something crazy like summon a full sized Primal for the LB. Just plz let this go already. It's never a good idea to have a pet be your main or even half of your DPS in my opinion. If anything they should just give them more buffs/debuffs like Contagion so that pets can have 2 damage abilities and 2 support. The job is fine, no major reworking needs to be done to correct the minor issues with SMN.

[NintenPyjak64]

Post #42

Personally, I love SMN to death. It's the only job in this game I can actually stomach playing in an endgame scenario. I can guarantee if they vastly change summoners I will quit playing this game. That said I always find these people who whine and complain about SMN ridiculous, "It's just a Warlock from WoW!" "This game has no Summoner" "Egis are small and unimpressive." My only response is: If you don't like it don't play it, if you want to play it, then suck it up and quit whining (then again this could be said about all content in any MMO ever)

Aside from that the only real changes I'd like to see are strictly some Egi abilities. I'd love to see Titan have a Provoke and Ifrit maybe have a Fester. Lowering their MP cost/cast time would promote using different Egis for different scenarios in a single fight (Example: Start the fight with Garuda, do Contagion with all your buffed DoTs, swap to Ifrit, use his Fester ability, don't get MP starved 3 seconds into the fight). Imo their size is perfect, their design really doesn't matter in the least bit, the amount of micromanaging I need to do is perfect, I just want an excuse to use Ifrit. I don't want to see a major revamp, I just want to see 1 ability from Titan and 1 ability from Ifrit changed. I can live without this like I have been before.

Edit: Noticed we're on the same server. Hopefully we can talk in game at some points, I feel like I have much to improve on skill-wise, but haven't found any resources or people to help me yet

[Rydia13]

Sure I'll be on at about 6pm EST. See ya then

[Mjytresz]

It's never a good idea to have a pet be your main or even half of your DPS in my opinion.

Then why are there games where this works just fine?
Your opinion is irrelevant when there's examples of other games, even other genres, that pull it off just fine with less community backlash than FF14's "Affliction Warlock ripoff".

Honestly, the only thing that should be changed about Summoner is the name. Make an entirely new class that actually represents the summoner archetype that's displayed in the vast majority of games out there. We're not asking for 0% Avatar DPS with a 50ft hulking minion of death that one-shots S-rank hunts. Just something that actually feels and operates like a summoner.

[Ardan]

Then why are there games where this works just fine?

Ignorant as all shit, but throw out some examples please. And keep it to MMOs of the same style as XIV or it doesn't count.